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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Some non-egg laying animal gave birth to an egg laying animal due to a beneficial mutation. So the "chicken" (or rather, any egg laying animal) came first.

[–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’m laughing my ass off rn because I’m imagining this process happening today like imagine giving birth to your daughter the normal way and she gives birth by laying eggs

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not exactly, they produced eggs just not with the hard outer shell built for dry air filled environment. THATS where the next land dwelling being came from.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 3 days ago

Yeah but in the same way we extend the discussion to be "egg laying creature" instead of chicken, we can extend it to "any sort of shelled baby" from egg and the logic still holds.

[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I disagree, i think a chicken is the animal that comes from an egg and then lays an egg (to start the cycle anew).
If the first animal you call a chicken isnt hatched from an egg then i think its not a chicken, but a predecessor.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That chicken's parent laid an egg though so it wasn't the first egg laying animal.

[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Correct, not the first egg laying animal, however the first chicken was hatched from a chicken egg.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No, I don't think I'd agree. Something gave birth to something with a mutation that caused it to lay eggs that we'd call chicken eggs that produce chicken. Itself was born from a creature that didn't lay chicken eggs.

[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 1 points 2 days ago

Well now i think im inclined to agree with you.
I have been defining it as a true chicken is the animal that came from the egg and reproduces the same animal in egg form.

But if you were to say instead that the final mutation that created the gentically distinct animal we call a chicken, would still be that animal regardless of how it was created.
Similar to if a chain of self replicating robots is traced back to the origonal unit, its still a self replicating robot even if the first was built by hands.