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I guess letting Trump run out the clock on justice was the voters fault too, then, eh? Even when Biden was literally handed a way to prevent Trump from running on a silver platter by the Supreme Court that basically ruled that anything a President does is part of Presidential Duties. He and the entire apparatus around him including twerps like Merrick Garland has so many fucking options to stop this. The courts, the department of justice, the President, all of them had taken an oath to protect democracy and that oath doesn't disappear because the voters are stupid. They all bend over like grass under a push-me-pull-you lawnmower going "oh for fucks sake" and deciding that fighting corruption was too hard and too risky for themselves personally. People whined about judges getting death threats and that's why they were hesitant to play hardball... Are you fucking kidding me? Like they thought that would protect them or anyone else? Now fascism is boldly kicking the fucking doors in and those people and their families are in more danger than they were back then, except now the whole country is in just as much danger. They bent over because their pussy asses thought they could and should save themselves instead of fight fascism and asshats are all like "it's the voters fault!" when Trump legally shouldn't have been allowed to run for the Presidency at all for a litany of reasons and nobody with any real power did anything to stop it! Sure, it's our fault, not a system that allowed it to happen, fuck me, give me a break! The people in charge abdicated their responsibility to justice and then said it's the voters fault, get the fuck out of here.
Stop rewriting history. In a country where laws actually meant something and mattered he would have been in prison for 34 felonies and not allowed to run due to being an insurrectionist and guilty of treason for stealing and selling state secrets. How the living fuck is that the voters fault? The system failed the voters before the voters failed the system.
here's something that still fucking rankles me:
think about all the billions of dollars, year after year, we put into the NSA, CIA, DIA, FBI, and so many other intel orgs - and what good did it do when a treasonous pedophile came knocking?
What's the fucking point of it all if this is the outcome?
Exactly, what the fuck are we even paying taxes for if not to protect us from this kind of shit???
If the voters and non-voters hadn't voted him back in the wheels of justice would probably kept turning slowly as they do.
Do you want to establish the precedence of a president demanding the DOJ arrest their opposition?
Because I'm not sure that's a great idea.
You are so fucking ignorant if you think the wheels of justice were slowly turning.
Merrick Fucking Garland was a poor choice in the first place, a sop to 'the other side' and he performed exactly as expected.
Bernie Sanders would have won against Trump all three races, if we just had to have an old white guy.
Biden was earnest, but he did not, and does not have the balls required in these modern times
Can we come back from this?
What a joke. Biden himself had the opportunity and the authority to start that process, and his entire administration farted around for three full years.
Well, it sure seems to have worked without taking so long that the assholes who already broke the laws came back into power like in South Korea and Brazil. Those systems didn't go "whoopsies we ran out of time, I guess they can take power again!"
A system that allows this to happen and places the blame on the voters instead of fighting for a better world is a system that was always going to end up this way.
A system that can just have the clock run out on justice is always going to be gamed like this, stop lying to yourself.
To be fair the voters and non-voters have a large share of the responsibility for this situation that's how a democracy works.
Yes and we voted in people to represent us by upholding the law and following their oaths to office and they failed at representing our interests, upholding the law, and following their oaths miserably.
We voted in Trump and his gang with majorities in the house and senate.
After voting in Obama, who didn't want anything to do with prosecuting Bush & Cheney for warcrimes, and then Biden, who didn't want anything to do with prosecuting Trump, obviously. But I guess those times don't count for whatever fucking reason??
American reluctance to hold powerful figures accountable isn't a good thing and we've literally just left the question of whether you can prosecute a President at all dangling since we allowed Nixon to resign and fly away. That's qualitatively a bad thing. We have had decades of chances to fix this problem and it doesn't matter who we vote in, no one is dismantling the horrific things that are created in the meantime.
For example, instead of questioning why the TSA and it's security theater exists or whether or not the DHS was a good idea at all, we have people going "Oh but the TSA agents aren't getting paid!" They miss something like 60% of illicit items anyway, and if someone wanted to kill a mass amount of people they would just have to set off a bomb in the long security lines leading up to the airports. It's been security theater since the fucking Bush era, but it's become so normalized we're whining about people who are violating the fourth amendment against unlawful search and seizure by choosing us at random for an unlawful search of our bags not getting paid! Boo hoo! These people who helped throw the fourth amendment out the window two decades ago now aren't getting paid! Cry me a fucking river.
We voted, numerous times, as a country, to hold this kind of corruption to account and numerous times the people in charge failed us miserably, all the way back to Nixon.
That’s one hell of a detour away from the conversation we were having.
Holding Presidents accountable is a detour? Violation of constitutional norms is a detour? No wonder we're in this position, because apparently history and things that led to this outcome don't matter!