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[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That’s a weird way of saying he was elected with a minority via electoral college and not the people. Meanwhile he has never had a positive approval rating and 80% of the country opposes this BS in Iran.

[–] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The point of a democracy is to elect someone to represent the people voting. He won your election. Take some fucking responsibility for that ffs

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Which is a flaw in the system, not democracy

[–] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Literally not my problem. Thats your country not mine. You don’t get to elect a buffoon to terrorize your allies then abdicate any responsibility by blaming your system. If you think the system is the problem then fix your fucking system

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Who said it was your problem?

I mean fuck republicans, their party and Trump. So let’s talk reality… But meanwhile, what are you on?

[–] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Who said it was your problem?

You’re abdicating responsibility by talking about “the system”. But the thing is, from an outside perspective, I don’t give two shits about your system. It’s not relevant to me at all. I never interact with it. I didn’t learn about it in school. It plays no role in my day to day life. I don’t care about it, and I don’t understand it (just like the average American doesn’t care or understand parliamentary systems in the Westminster tradition, for example). All I know is that you guys are a democracy (before Trump was elected you were considered one of the most stable democracies in the world) so there are channels for you to air your grievances and try to reform the system. And until Americans decide to do that, we (i.e. rest of the world) will hold you guys collectively responsible for the monster you have created.

Angry Americans can downvote me for saying this, but that is what the rest of the world is already doing, whether you like it or not. We are holding you responsible, and your reputation on the world stage has plummeted, severely and irrevocably, more than even the biggest Trump hating American seems to understand. We will never look at you the same again. We will never rely on you the same way had before. And individual Americans, when travelling, won’t be treated with the same automatic trust that you may have enjoyed before. These are simply the facts. If you don’t like this, then go fix your broken country.

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

No I’m not abdicating anything when you have no idea how I’ve voted or my politics.

I understand a frustration with how the states have handled basic fucking governance. However I think you’re taking things a bit too far assigning all that blame on me personally. I have not abdicated anything by describing the reality of the situation. But again I get the frustration with Trump and conservatives running wild…

Yea you want to paint the whole country as foolish, I’m simply saying that’s a broad brush and reality is there a systemic imbalance that cannot be ignored. To ignore something as big as that is to over simplify things and it defeats your own argument of abdicating responsibility.

But bitch and moan all you like if it makes you feel better. It doesn’t really address the issue though.

[–] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

However I think you’re taking things a bit too far assigning all that blame on me personally.

There’s a difference between blaming you personally and saying Americans, such as yourself, need to take responsibility for the situation you have collectively created. There’s a difference between assigning blame and assigning responsibility.

But bitch and moan all you like if it makes you feel better. It doesn’t really address the issue though.

Are you not getting it? This is not my issue to address. This is your country and your issue. Preaching to foreigners about the sins of the electoral college is moat here. I don’t give a shit about the electoral college. I care about how your country is treating the rest of us.

Here’s an analogy: imagine a man that’s acting out in public, and harming other people. When confronted about it he says, “oh, well, it’s not my fault because I have a lot of shit going in my personal life.” That might be the case. But is that an adequate response? No. Because the rest of us don’t care about his personal life. We care about how he’s acting out.

The same goes for the USA. Stop airing your dirty laundry and just get your shit together.

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Oh so the issue is me taking personal responsibility for the Trump admin? Am I personally responsible for the Iraq war as well? I mean I personally voted against all that and Trump but you mean to say that I can do something to collectively make you feel better? Responsibility absolutely affects the whole country but you’re really just pissing into the wind with this half assed blame game… you feel the need to impugn people you’ve never met just to feel justified at picking a fight.

Im not picking a fight or even disagreeing with you, I'm simply mentioning how desperate your own argument is…

[–] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Again, I am not saying you are personally responsible, and blame is not the same as responsibility. But as an American, you do bear responsibility for the mess your country has created (in the sense that, if you do not try to stop it, you are complicit). Its the same as how everyday Germans in Nazi Germany had a moral responsibility to stop the Nazi regime, and those that didn’t bother or made excuses are rightly remembered as being complicit and as behaving in ways that were morally reprehensible. Except, unlike the Germans, you are not yet living in a dictatorship, so you still have democratic means of resolving this (for now). So you have even less of an excuse than the Germans did.

This should not he a hard concept for you to understand. Everyone else in the Western world, except for Americans apparently, seem to understand this quite fine.