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The latest changes implemented in the Systemd repo, related to or prompted by age-verification laws, have made many people unhappy (I suppose links about this aren't necessary). This has led to a surge in Systemd forks during the last days ("surge" because there have always been plenty of forks). Here are some forks that explicitly mention those changes as their reason for forking (rough time ordering taken from the fork page):

Hopefully the energy of this reaction won't be scattered among too many alternatives, although some amount of scattering is always good.

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[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

"If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about", people used to say. You don't hear it as much, these days, probably because it is now such a transparently ignorant thing to say.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You’re not forced to enter your true name or true birthdate. Do you have your true birthdate on your Steam account for example?

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes, not yet. That's how they walk it in, a little at a time. First they add in the functionality, but don't worry, you don't have to enter your true birth date! Then, well meaning (or malicious) developers will start making use of that field, instead of asking you for it on a case-by-case basis. Then, more regulation will come down the pipe, requiring that the date of birth be sourced by some trusted provider. Soon enough, you need to use your government ID biometric chip to log in, and all of your activity is directly connected to your real-world identity. That is their end goal. That's why they're doing all of this.

The more important question here, why do you feel the need to defend this? What does this feature add to your operating system? How does it improve your computing experience?

[–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

not who you replied to but makes linux systems maliciously compliant so that you can still use them (say, in schools) without having your privacy violated.

your slippery slope argument could apply to any field of userdb: real name will require an id, location will require geolocation!

slippery slope is a logical fallacy, complain when systemd requires an id, not when it does the bare privacy-respecting minimum to comply with a silly law

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It isn"t malicious compliance at all, it is just compliance. This is exactly what the law requires, to a T. Windows and MacOS would implement it in an identical way.

You want to act like this field is just being added for no reason, and not for compliance with a law that is being created as part of a fabric of increasingly authoritarian age assurance, age-based restriction laws and a rising tide of fascism. A slippery slope argument is where someone claims negative consequences without evidence, there is plenty of reason to believe the goal is de-anonymization.

What benefits would this feature add for you? How would it improve your computer? Why is it being added now and not at the same time as name and location which were added literal decades ago?

[–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

for me it adds nothing (like most userdb fields as i don't use them) but equally doesn't remove or compromise anything, userdb is optional

i'm absolutely not acting like it's being added for no reason, did you read my reply? it's being added (and i just wrote it) to maliciously comply with CA upcoming laws. you instead just acted like a optional field is the same as MS no-offline setup. "Windows would implement it in an identical way". do you even use linux?

you claim there's plenty of evidence and this is not a slippery slope because the goal is deanonymization. this is not how you prove to not be in a logical fallacy. "legalize gay marriage and they'll marry dogs", "oh i have plenty of evidence queer folks are against nuclear family". the second statement is true (per this queer folk) but it doesn't make the first less of a slippery slope.

Meta pushes for age verification? i believe that, not contested. systemd will violate privacy? this is the slippery slope. i know meta wants privacy violated. you're claiming that having an optional field is a dead giveaway systemd wants to let meta do this.

how? wouldn't systemd rely on meta services, or third party stuff like persona, to id you if they really wanted to make sure who you are? i see no api calls, i see no system lockdown when not complying, i see no data being sent away.

i see an optional field that nothing uses, that prevents nothing, that is strictly on your device.

you say it's "just" compliance, but how does it verify? if this is compliance with age verification, it sure lacks a lot of verification and seems to just be age. thus why this is malicious compliance: the bare minimum to be lawful and not compromise user privacy. seems desirable to me

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

Again, no, it is not malicious compliance. As per Tom's Hardware:

The law does not require photo ID uploads or facial recognition, with users instead simply self-reporting their age

It is just compliance. Stop lying about that. The law itself is backed by Meta, Google and OpenAI. Wake the fuck up.

Anyways, stick your head in the sand if you want to, that's your prerogative, but don't say we didn't warn you. I've been arguing with people like you about increasing authoritarianism and fascism for decades, you always chirp about slippery slopes until it's already too late. How convenient.