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[–] Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (5 children)

I mean yes, but what's genuinely problematic is the variability of the sun. Since it doesn't shine at night, you have to store the energy generated during the day somehow. What about winter, especially in parts of the world where it lasts a very long time? How can we transfer the energy generated in, say, the Sahara desert to Svalbard? Solar is great for generating electricity, but storage and transport of said energy is not completely resolved, yet.

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 25 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

For most parts of the world, the only reason why the problem with the variability isn't solved yet, is because governments don't want to invest in the electricity grid. We have the storage technologies, the only thing missing is money. And it's unrealistic to say that energy needs to be trabsported from the Sahara to nordic countries. Finland already needs to cut its nuclear reactors, because the renewables in Finland produce so much energy. Only the furthest regions north can't use solar.

[–] sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip 3 points 12 hours ago

We have the storage technologies, the only thing missing is money.

When discussing large public projects whose scale is larger than anything before seen, the money is mainly an accounting placeholder for the real resources that need to be expended.

Grid scale storage has been expanding at an exponential pace, but the sheer magnitude of the materials and engineering work that needs to be done to make a dent is pretty huge.

Bloomberg projects that total cumulative installed capacity should hit 2 Terawatt hours by 2035, noting that would represent 8x the number for 2025. But when you compare those numbers to just how much electricity is produced or consumed, with 22,000 TWh per year, we're talking about demand periods measured in minutes, not even hours, much less days.

At scales large enough to make enough of a dent to show up in global energy stats, we need to recognize that even infinite money would run into the real resource constraints of how much capacity we as a species have for pulling minerals out of the ground, processing them into useful materials, and engineering them to be useful energy storage solutions (whether pumped hydro or other gravitational systems, compressed air, flywheels, or whatever battery or fuel cell chemistries can store energy in an efficient way).

We have some technologies, but need things to improve significantly before storage can actually meet the needs for power that meets demand at any given moment in time. In the meantime, matching supply and demand in real time is a true engineering challenge, not just a monetary challenge.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 1 points 11 hours ago

already needs to cut its nuclear reactors, because the renewables in Finland produce so much energy.

sounds actually good. And also Finland could use other renewables like Wind, Geothermal and Tides.

[–] Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 12 hours ago

I'm not saying it has to be transported, but it's well-known that we could theoretically cover the world's electricity needs by placing some solar panels in the middle of a desert, if only that energy could be transported. At the same time you would avoid all the NIMBYs etc. Of course it's not realistic, that's why other forms of electricity are used, like wind and geothermal.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 8 points 12 hours ago

There are many ways to store the energy without chemical batteries.

We can use thermal batteries by heating water or other liquids and then release it at night. We can use kinetic batteries like compressing springs and then releasing them at night to turn a generator. Water batteries like hydro dams where you pump the water into a reservoir during the day and then release at night to again power a generator.

[–] The_Sasswagon@beehaw.org 2 points 11 hours ago

That isn't really a problem for where many people live though, nor for very long, so some modest storage medium and transmission lines (which likely already exist to many places dark in the winter) coupled with wind or whatever else makes sense locally would be just fine for those locations where it is a problem. There's no need to transmit from the Sahara to islands at the poles either, there's so much sun to go around, and so many places to gather it.

[–] NostraDavid@programming.dev 1 points 10 hours ago

Giant. Freaking. Lasers.

Hey, I never claimed it was efficient.

[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 12 hours ago

Musk is this you?