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Martin Fowler: ORM Hate (martinfowler.com)

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This is a pragmatic piece of Fowler on the rather dry topic of Object-relational mappings - in short, the attempt to marry an object-oriented code base with a relational data base.

Usually you'd get enough early success to commit deeply to the framework and only after a while did you realize you were in a quagmire - this is where I sympathize greatly with Ted Neward's famous quote that object-relational mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Science

What Fowler refers to here, is Ted Neward's article "The Vietnam Of Computer Science"

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[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I like ORM's because they prevent sql injection. Mostly. Sql injection is a really bad vuln that's nowhere near as ubiqitous as it used to be for every php app, and that's partly due to ORM's.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You don't need ORMs to prevent SQL injection. Prepared statements have existed for decades.

[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's what I thought too: https://programming.dev/comment/22854391

But it seems to be possible to still do them wrong.

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 4 points 17 hours ago

If you don't use the parameter functionality of prepared statements, yeah. That also means you don't use a prepared statement, you construct varying sql strings and prepare varying "prepared" statements.

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

It's a bit sad that sql injection is still a thing. It's been a known problem for decades, and developers keep itching to reinvent the vulnerability over and over...