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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You seem genuinely unaware that countries like Germany legitimately have less than replacement birth rates. I don’t discount your point about paying people more, but I can acknowledge both these realities and you can too. While the class struggle with billionaires rages on, there actually are real demographic challenges.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

People can't afford kids.

[–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The reason people are also having less children is precisely because of the way quality of life is tanking.People aren't suddenly less able to reproduce, they just don't want to go race to the bottom to have children. Rather than allowing societies time to adjust and compensate for these changes, people in their governments are forcing the race to the bottom.

The immigrants coming for these jobs are willing to drop their quality of life and make sacrifices like renting shared living spaces and having to work under worse conditions. Once we are at the bottom, the same problem will happen, just with lowered standards. This ends up making the "developing" countries balance out with the "developed" ones, which wouldn't be so bad if the politics didn't tank as a net loss. It's always requires more effort to to build up a healthy political environment than to take it down.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes yes, I know you see everything through the lens of the disappearing middle class narrative.

But you’re unarmed with the basics. Agrarian societies run on family farms, where human hands mean more output. Developing countries have absolutely shit standards of living but they have the most kids. This is in direct contradiction to the way you see things.

The reason more developed countries have fewer children is because in a more advanced economy, workers need to be more educated and trained to produce value. They don’t begin contributing to the economy at age 5. More like 18 or 21. That is expensive. Nothing to do with boomers tanking the economy. This is fundamental and true around the world.

Don’t get so attached to a narrative that you become blind to everything else.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

Sure bit the fact that you require both partners to work and if you have kids the cost of daycare is astronomical. You cannot say that these do not contribute to lower birth rates.