How much money did russia burn in that attack? ....and for what? To train Ukraine to be the best at air defense out of any nation on earth? This will never win the war for russia, no matter how many they send at Ukraine. This is a bullshit strategy meant to buy time.

edit I just did a back of the envelope calculation, russia spent probably at least ~50 million usd in drones alone in this attack not to mention the cost of logistics and staging, is this really a "cheap" strategy?

What did the ~50 million do for russia in terms of building true power? This is just desperate terrorism.

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Hitting a well defended, mobile Ukrainian military force?

What on earth makes you keep thinking I'm talking about Ukraine? That's twice now you've done this.

I'm talking about how unprepared others are for this, and you're acting like we're prepared for this, while we have an active war going on where we are not prepared for drone warfare and they are asking Ukraine for help because of it.

Not all military targets are well defended bases either, but even Iran has hit US and partner military bases with drones.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What I have contention with is the idea that this is an unstoppable strategy, it is a dead end strategy to monomaniacally pursue flying bomb production as a method of building overwhelming force.

Yes Iran can use it to deny the Strait Of Hormuz. Ok, I just don't think that actually proves as much as people think it does.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

If Russia was stupid enough to attack Lithuania (or other baltic state) like people think might happen, if they have not prepared properly (as of today, they are not), they could overwhelm the air defences and take out more strategic value than the $500 million cost.

Edit: The only thing preventing that right now is the ongoing war in Ukraine, but if that ended, they could stockpile.

Edit: According to official Ukrainian data[1], the total number of Shahed-type UAVs launched by Russia in 2025 amounted to 54,538, including approximately 32,200 Shahed-type strike UAVs. https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/a-comprehensive-analytical-review-of-russian-shahed-type-uavs-deployment-against-ukraine-in-2025

Edit: Also I gotta go, won't be around for awhile to continue this if it's even worth continuing.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

If Russia was stupid enough to attack Lithuania (or other baltic state) like people think might happen, if they have not prepared properly (as of today, they are not), they could overwhelm the air defences and take out more strategic value than the $500 million cost.

...and then what? Invade with a vastly diminished force that was only minimally invested in because all the money went to shaheds? Again basically what can be done is an act of mass terrorism, but that doesn't project power and it sure as hell doesn't produce money which the russian economy is in desperate need of.

Edit: The only thing preventing that right now is the ongoing war in Ukraine, but if that ended, they could stockpile.

I mean yeah, if we just let russia sit there and pile up weapons it is going to be a problem.

"Fortunately" I don't see russia being able to extract itself from the Ukraine war without getting severely fucked up (I say fortunarely in quotes because it sucks for Ukraine), russia's air defenses are crumbling and it leaves the backbone of their military utterly exposed to very longterm damage. I am not saying there is no threat I am saying the anxiety around russia's shahed production is seen under a very warped lens.

I agree Europe needs to prepare better, I don't mean to come down against that either.

Edit: According to official Ukrainian data[1], the total number of Shahed-type UAVs launched by Russia in 2025 amounted to 54,538, including approximately 32,200 Shahed-type strike UAVs.

50,000 shaheds * $50,000 per shahed = $2.5 billion that would have been better spent on a more permanent aspect of the russian war machine, too bad they are obsessed with making flying murder bombs like it is a religion.

https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/shahed_136_really_cost_20_50k_iran_sold_them_to_russia_for_200_300k_in_2022_actual_price_far_higher-17764.html