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Thoughts on GrapheneOS? Is it worth switching from an iPhone? (piefed.social)

submitted 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by comrademiao@piefed.social to c/foss@beehaw.org

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I love my iPhone but care more about more about FOSS. All my computers and servers run Linux and I want my phone to as well. GrapheneOS sounds nice but I’m worried about switching from an iPhone. Before getting my first iPhone 7, androids would never last more than a year before they become slow and buggy (LG and Samsung flagships). I also worry about how trustworthy GrapheneOS is, I see them getting in random fights with users on Mastodon—that doesn’t exhibit a stable group to me.

TLDR really love FOSS, considering switching from iPhone but am unsure.

E1 found this on wiki lol

In a detailed review of GrapheneOS for Golem.de, Moritz Tremmel and Sebastian Grüner said they were able to use GrapheneOS similarly to other Android systems, while enjoying more freedom from Google, without noticing differences from "additional memory protection, but that's the way it should be." They concluded GrapheneOS cannot change how "Android devices become garbage after three years at the latest", but "it can better secure the devices during their remaining life while protecting privacy."

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[–] thoralf@discuss.familie-will.at 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If you can live with very arrogant developers, it's probably a good choice.

[–] DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com 1 points 7 hours ago

Do you hold the corporate developers to the same level of scrutiny? I'd rather live with arrogant developers over fascist and genocide-enabling developers.

[–] matsdis@piefed.social 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You don't have to live with the developers. You don't examine Google or Apple with that kind of scrutiny either, as a user. In fact you can't, because Google and Apple developers have NDAs and PR to prevent any internal human drama from leaking to the public. Doesn't mean there is less of it.

With community-driven open source projects, almost everything happens in public, so you can dig up all that, and drama gets amplified through social media. If you want the illusion of something free of imperfect humans, better stick to the corporate stuff, I guess.

[–] gjoel@programming.dev 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you don't want arrogant developers being involved in your software you might as well move to a cottage in the woods and forsake modern society. Actually, that might be a good idea either way.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Copy paste of my own comment:

The paranoid security-obsessed developer who is focused on making the best software to the point of being rude and isolationist is not the kind of person I'd want to hang out with but kind of is the person I want doing security work for the device I have all my personal info on. Sure it would be nicer if they weren't so abrasive but I'd rather they channel an angry Linus Torvalds than some slick weasel-wordy Steve Jobs.

[–] gianni@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Steve Jobs was more of an angry asshole than Linus Torvalds. Jobs' rants were to people's faces rather than on mailing lists. They are both uncompromising visionaries, however.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I just picked him because he's probably the most well known bullshit-merchant "face" of a tech company, feel free to swap him out for someone even worse!

[–] gianni@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

I would argue that Jobs was not a "bullshit merchant". Under his direction, Apple changed the personal computing landscape—multiple times. There was certainly an element of showmanship and marketing behind these innovations. But I wouldn't classify them as bullshit.

When I hear bullshit merchant, I immediately think Steve Ballmer and Larry Ellison.

[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 3 points 2 days ago

If you need a different example, you're always free to use Elon "full self driving in two years" Musk.