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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Cuba is on the other side of the world. Liberalism in Eastern Europe generally means tolerance for others. Not being a bigot.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The word "liberalism" in Europe is generally used to refer to economic liberalism, not social progressivism.

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah exactly. Liberals here are right wing capitalists. And often conservative.

They are kinda the same as the liberals in the US but that's because US doesn't really know any real left wing. So it's right wing democrats or extreme-right republicans.

That makes liberalism seem somehow progressive but it isn't really.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 day ago

Haven't heard it used for economic liberalism in over a decade, but I'm also not from western Europe.

[–] Tolc@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

and liberalism in other parts of world means western imperialism, capitalist enforcement, pro rich anti evironmentalism.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Sure, but this article isn't talking about other parts of the world?

It's about Orban, Putin and not just Trump but MAGA in general. That's 3 countries where if you say you hate liberals, you'll get high fives from neonazis, skinheads and so on.

Here's Putin bashing 'liberalism' - he's talking about multiculturalism and LGBT

Here's Orban saying liberals are aiming for hegemony of opinion, stigmatizing conservatives and Christians - this almost always means "We're not allowed to hate people for being different".

Closer to home for me, former head of our very own mini-nazi party:

Mart Helme saying that liberals are establishing homototalitarianism

Relevant bit:

Helme said the extensively discussed interview with Deutsche Welle turned into an attack. "Attempts are made in Estonia to establish homototalitarianism, where, by appealing to the Constitution, attempts are made to make it clear to us that we must not speak or have an opinion on certain issues. That there are certain subjects and groups of people that have been declared untouchable by liberals and that cannot be criticized. By the way, the list of topics is expanding quickly," he said.

Last one is not too relevant for Hungary in particular, but his son, the new leader of the party, cried about Orban losing, as he's a wannabe member of the same Trump-Orban-Putin alliance. Basically a useful idiot for them. I brought this one up purely to show that this usage of the word "liberal" is now common.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure, if you collapse capitalism, neoliberalism, and western foreign policy into just 'liberalism'

[–] Tolc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I mean thats what the west present as its collective ideology