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[–] paholg@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (17 children)

I'm all ears, buddy. Paint me the picture of this dust bowl genocide. My mind is open. Convince me.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

You know that picture you paint of the holodomer? it's literally just that, but the USA.

[–] paholg@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Let's see. 34 countries and the EU consider the Holodomor (check your spelling btw) a genocide.

I can find... well, you, and nothing else claiming the dust bowl is a genocide.

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So, if I got into my government and made them recognise the dust bowl as a genocide, does that make it a genocide? Do countries‒who care a lot more about politics than the truth‒get to say what is and isn't a genocide?

[–] paholg@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay, how about the guy who coined the term?

Raphael Lemkin (a pioneer of genocide studies[79]: 35  who coined the term genocide, and an initiator of the Genocide Convention), James Mace, Norman Naimark, and Timothy Snyder have written that the Holodomor was a genocide and the intentional result of Soviet policies under Stalin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Wikipedia as a source. Amazing.

Here's a challenge; find an academic work written by a serious historian after the opening of the Soviet archives that considers the 32-33 Soviet famine to be a deliberate genocide.

And while you're at it, go back and answer 新星's question, which you are still dodging.

Also, didn't you say you weren't interested in arguing about definitions?

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