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What she said. (infosec.pub)

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[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Specifically, 1 Timothy 2:

11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Let's see what christians are getting out of it.

That biblical blessing and that voice of nature and that God-given longing should be followed, I’m arguing, unless God himself makes it crystal clear that the self-denying path of Christ-exalting obedience is childlessness.

https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/are-christian-couples-required-to-have-kids

I think the deliberate choice not to have children is nearly always wrong.

https://www.challies.com/articles/is-it-okay-deliberately-not-to-have-children/

This is it in a nutshell:

The world tells us we deserve happiness. The Bible tells a different story.

In other words, "have children even if you and they are all miserable for it."

They even quote a bible verse that likens children to ammunition, weapons:

Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one’s youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them.

https://www.crosswalk.com/family/parenting/is-it-a-sin-to-choose-not-to-have-children.html

Do not defend child abuse. Do not support death cults. Children who have no choice in the matter suffer and die for it.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think ol' Tim was an incel

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago

Lol. I'm not sure how many biblical incels there are. Probably not as many as there are rapists.

While I agree with your sentiment, the book is named "Timothy" because it was written to Timothy, not by him. Traditionally, Paul is considered to be the author, but it's unlikely.

I could not find anything suggesting Paul or Timothy had wives. The "Life" section of Timothy's Wikipedia article consists of two paragraphs, one of which is all about how Paul personally circumcised him. Quite the bonding experience, I'm sure.

Male genital mutilation remains disturbingly common to this day. My parents chose it for my brothers and I when we were infants. It is one of the many reasons I will be relieved when my parents are dead.

[+] OpenStars@discuss.online -6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I mentioned already in my response to your other comment that husbands are ALSO called to submit themselves to their wives. Jesus did more for women's rights than anyone else in history, as far as I am aware. There are so very exceedingly many valid criticisms of the Bible, but quoting the New Testament in particular does not seem to me to be one of them. In the context of its era, it was radically revolutionary.

I hadn't heard that from Desiring God. I presume he clearly demonstrated his own opinion as separate and distinct from anything actually stated in the actual, literal Bible? Your quotes here seem to say thus.

So, off the cuff mind you, my guess is that it's old and that this advice, which if it had been given 50 years ago may well have been true(-ish), as in most couples indeed may be happier to have kids than not? Even if only for a retirement plan, while those who adamantly do not want them will not herd such advice regardless, so a simplistic mantra offered to the simple-minded with the aim of helping them arrive at a conclusion that they would have reached themselves eventually, given sufficient time and energy and efforts? Yeah I'm okay with that, in that context.

Today would be a different story I think... so it seems a matter of an elderly pastor giving out of date advice, not keeping up with the times, but again - CRUCIALLY - making sure to distinguish that it was merely his own opinion. It's okay to have personal opinions, even incorrect ones?

And from my very first comment in this thread I have in no way defended child abuse, saying in fact rather the opposite. ThAt'S whAt ThIs CaPiTaLiZaTiOn StYlE mEaNs?

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 points 6 days ago

I mentioned already in my response to your other comment that husbands are ALSO called to submit themselves to their wives.

Liar. Quote the verse.

Jesus did more for women's rights than anyone else in history

No, cuntface, Jesus said women belong to his dad. What the fuck is wrong with you?

There are so very exceedingly many valid criticisms of the Bible, but quoting the New Testament in particular does not seem to me to be one of them.

Hey dipshit: the WHOLE THING is based on "submit to me or I'll punish you for eternity." Idiot. Did you forget to read the rest of the bible?

In the context of its era, it was radically revolutionary.

It was cancer then, and it is cancer now.

So, off the cuff mind you

Shut the fuck up until you've read it all.

It is cancer.

my guess is that it's old and that this advice, which if it had been given 50 years ago may well have been true(-ish)

Wrong. There is no god. There is no divine punishment or reward.

most couples indeed may be happier to have kids than not?

Cite an empirical study before making such claims, fuckface. And do not disregard the fact that many couples should not have children.

Even if only for a retirement plan

Excuse the fuck out of you? Children don't own their parents jack shit. Die alone, selfish moron.

so a simplistic mantra offered to the simple-minded with the aim of helping them arrive at a conclusion that they would have reached themselves eventually, given sufficient time and energy and efforts? Yeah I'm okay with that, in that context.

Honest minds can be changed with sufficient evidence.

Fuck yourself to death.

Today would be a different story I think... so it seems a matter of an elderly pastor giving out of date advice, not keeping up with the times, but again - CRUCIALLY - making sure to distinguish that it was merely his own opinion. It's okay to have personal opinions, even incorrect ones?

No. Not if those baseless opinions result in real harm to real people, which is what is happening now. Fuckface

And from my very first comment in this thread I have in no way defended child abuse

You literally did, and you still are.

Christianity is a death cult. All christians abuse their children because they love a fake god more than their real kids.

ThAt'S whAt ThIs CaPiTaLiZaTiOn StYlE mEaNs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7dWyYeOBkg&pp=0gcJCRMMAYcqIYzv

https://snoopsqueak.com/videos/fys