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A real hetero cis-man doesn’t need a subjugate women in order to protect his fragile ego. He is a capable, involved father. He takes responsibility for his own life and doesn’t need a mommy to take care of him. He doesn’t claim ownership of women’s bodies. He at least does his own fucking chores, like an adult. He develops his own passions and skills, always seeking to improve himself and grow. He is emotionally open, vulnerable and able to demonstrate compassion and kindness towards others. He values people over things. He doesn’t give credit to an old man in the sky for his successes and failures. He is an ally who defends the vulnerable, like our queer allies.
Defending the vulnerable is essential masculinity.
Males who punch down are the weakest, at best they are little boys.
Moms protecting their babies is masculinity now?
This thread is a dumpster fire.
What a wild way to interpret what the commentor was saying
No interpretation was necessary. They were quite specific.
You're right, they were. And they said nothing about moms.
This includes moms protecting their babies plainly, on its face, without question. I have no idea what point you thought you were making but I'm not going to keep reading you try. Byebye.
The point is that you're going out of your way to find something to be offended about for no good reason.
And they completely failed to illustrate that point, as have you. If you think fighting back against pointlessly gendering things is "no good reason" then we have nothing to discuss because you just told on yourself. It's not up for debate. Go back to reddit with that shit.
There isn't such a thing as "real men" and "fake men". Abusive men are still men. They are just bad men.
Also, you are implying that in order to be a "real man", you have to be a father. I have no interest in having children. I am still a man.
It’s all bullshit anyway. I personally don’t care if someone is “manly” or not. The universe has no checklist of gender qualifications you must meet in order to be a good person. And you’re correct. There’s abusive and non-abusive people.
But it’s fun to use the language of the abuser against the abuser. It’s stealing away their distorted interpretation and turning it on its head.
This is a movement of “trad dads” who want to work all day and leave women with the responsibility for child-rearing.
You just described basic human decency that all people should strive for. Attributing these things to masculinity is counterproductive.
Can you even name one positive masculine trait that you don't consider universal?
No, because it's all made up bullshit with no basis in fact. What is or isn't "masculine" is determined entirely by the whims of society and has no meaning beyond that.
Can you name one negative ~~masculine~~ feminine trait that you don't consider universal?
Could you clarify which traits you're thinking about?
I'm not thinking about any, I'm asking if there are any.
Did you not read a word of what I just said, or do you just not care and want to have this argument anyway? Either way it isn't going to happen. Bad faith arguments will only get you blocked. Bye.
There's no positive "feminine" trait that isn't universal either.
So what differentiates the two?
???
Do they need differentiation?
Well there are two different words so I'm guessing people saw a meaningful difference.