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i was shocked to go online and see mountains of hate for The Last Jedi. i thought it was amazing
I never got that either. It's clearly the best of the three from the new trilogy. I mean, low bar, but still
why are there suddenly cloaking devices in star wars
why don't the imperials hyperjump in front of the fleeing rebels?
why can several characters leave a chase in progress visit some planet and come back to the chase still in progress?
the holdo maneuver breaks several in-universe rules about how hyperdrive works.
there's plenty of problems with the film without being a frothing misogynist. It's better than rise of skywalker but i'd rather watch the holiday special.
To add to the list of non-chud reasons to dislike it, the plot is driven entirely by characters doing the dumbest thing possible at every turn on all sides for little to no reason.
Someone once pointed out the First Order could have ended the movie in the first ten minutes by having their dreadnaught just shoot the Resistance's capital ship instead of the planetary (read: entirely stationary) base first, or by having the dreadnaught's fighter screen/escort ships deployed instead of just chilling and doing nothing the entire fight.
the only good thing i think is killing snoke like that. subverting expectations just to subvert them isn't good, just like tropes aren't automatically bad but the snoke death added stakes to the events.
Luke's character "development" happening entirely off-screen (and throwing out better character development from decades of books) makes the flashback scene completely unbelievable. kylo is no jacen
I don't really care about the honor of Rian Johnson, but I don't think your points are correct.
Cloaking devices were introduced in Episode I
The tracking device makes hyperspace jumping a game of hopscotch. There's not really a point.
Yeah, this one is kinda dumb, but it'd be possible for a small ship to escape unnoticed and get out of range in order to jump to lightspeed.
Those rules are established in the books/supplemental materials, which aren't canon to the film series. The film-makers have no obligation to respect them. Episode 7 also breaks/rewrites the hyperspace rules.
None of the books are canon. It makes sense that people change over long time skips, and they did outline the rationale for his mindset changes in the flashback.
no they were introduced in a TIE Fighter expansion, and if you're going to say there was a romulan-ass cloaking device in phantom menace i'm gonna need a wookieepedia link beacause i do not remember that shit
instead of a dumbass chase that makes no sense you can microjump some of the ships in front of the rebels, or call in more ships from somewhere else if there's time for the fucking b-plot.
throwing out the canon was the first bad decision jj and the other execs made, but even without knowing or caring about anything but the movies... all the fucky things disney movies did with hyperjumps means things like the falcon's escape from mos eisley didn't need to happen and the blockade of naboo couldn't have worked because the "can't go to hyperspace in a gravity well" was thrown out. the big fights against the death stars (hell the death stars themselves) were totally pointless because you could just destroy anything big and slow moving by hyper-ramming it, etc. indefensible on both matters.
it's hack writing to have a change like that happen entirely off-screen, and the flashback is just luke about to murder an innocent person who hasn't done anything wrong yet because of a vision. how the fuck does luke get to that point in 20 years of whatever happened after the battle of endor where it's heavily implied that the rebels were going to win the war? it's totally unearned. (Also the state of galactic politics being completely unchanged from the beginning of a new hope is stupid and terrible but that's not rian's fault.)
You should see a doctor immediately - something is obviously wrong with you.
Jk, enjoy whatever you want, I am not the gatekeeper of your enjoyment but understand you are definitely wrong in this one :)
i disagree. everybody is wrong except me. about all things i am opinionated on
I think the hate Last Jedi receives is overblown BUT it was trash. I was semi hopeful after TFA (in hindsight it set the groundwork for a lot of the bad parts) and forgave it some of its flaws due to being the forst movie in a while and having to restart the franchise when it came to theaters but I walked out of TLJ and wanted my time back.
I think there is a lot of hate for Rey that's actual misogyny hidden behind the legitimate criticism. But the characters writing doesn't help that situation. I don't think any of the other characters are written much better so the fact Rey ends up getting most of the hate boils down to her being a woman and her being the main character (I cannot even guess which of these two weighs more into that equation, which is a shame. Her being female really shouldn't factor into this). The entire movie just felt very silly to me. It makes for good eye candy but if you think deeper about anything that could be construed as a message in that movie it just falls apart imo.
Tl;dr: I don't think it should come as a shock that the movoe got hate, it was pretty bad all things considered, but the amount sure was shocking
You monster!
"Amazing" is too strong imo, but it was way better than the other two in it's trilogy
Funny it was the opposite for me.
Every five minutes I had to stop myself from going "What the fuck?!" Out loud in the theaters.
Like the story is nonsensical, characters go full stupid in every possible scene, there are multiple massive issues with time and character location, the plot breaks the previously established rules of the universe, character development on old and new characters is just dumped for plot convenience, Rey becomes even more of a Mary Sue than she already was. I could go on, it's just a massive shit on the previous films.
Watching it feels like you let a freshman film student direct a plot that was written by a committee of toddlers. I don't see how it's a good movie let alone a good entry into the Star wars franchise.