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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Well what's wrong with nicotine? In itself it's not worse than booze. It's all the other crap they add that makes it so terrible

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Hi from the depths of a nicotine addiction and struggling to quit. Its a worthless chemical that gets more expensive everyday and my brain SCREAMS at me for a fix if I try to go more than even a few hours. At least heroin gets you high.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

And even when you break free for the most part the chemical which is classified as a poison will make you crave it years later.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Every time I smell somebody smoking I need a pouch or I'll go ask for a bum

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Stay strong on your recovery friend 💪

Thank you for your comment, this is always my biggest beef with those defending nicotine (smoking/vaping).

It's like, WHAT DO YOU EVEN GAIN FROM IT?

[–] random65837@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Google is your friend, lot of positives with Nictotine, Nicotine and Cigarettes aren't locked together.

[–] bizzle@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago

I switched to CBD only vape juice and it helped!

[–] random65837@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Far from a "Worthless chemical", mainly because it literally isn't, it's a naturally occurring plant substance. That has a lot of benefits behind it when not abused, there are Altzheimers drugs being developed based on Nicotine because of it's Nootropic ability and can keep people lucid.

You're doing what most do and conflating Nicotine with Smoking. They're not the same thing. Nicotine promotes alertness, relaxation, helps indirectly with weight loss from appetite suppression, athletic performance etc. The laundry list of negative from cigarettes don't negate that.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm still very addicted to nicotine cessation products, despite a large drop in strength. I quit smoking months ago. Thanks

[–] random65837@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I dont' doubt that, but you're coming from smoking, which is very different than those using it otherwise as far as dependence. In your case, the nicotine lets you work on breaking the oral habit of continuing to smoke, but ultimately at some point you'll still have to fight the nicotine addiction, but the smoking addiction will be gone. Most that just use the gum never get addicted to it. They should definitely make fractional doses for making that easier, but realistically chopping one in half and mixing it with another like flavored gum accomplishes that.

But to my point, cigarettes and smoking aside, Nicotine does have benefits either way. I use it as an addon to my preworkout as caffeine does zero for my energy. Been doing it for years, I can stop whenever I want, have a bunch of times, but haven't found a cure for the energy end, and I like that stimulant feel. I've actually gone last week without any of it, mainly for money, but miss the bump, not sure if I'll go back or not, wallet says not to. If the generic gum didn't suck I'd just do that, but since Nicorette actually tastes like real gum.. I dunno. My fahter in law who seems to be getting the possible start of Altheimers stays on top of shit with it, without it he's a forgetful mess that constantly zones out.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] random65837@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'll take your childish one word snowflake response as you not having anything real to disagree with. As if you did, you would have.

Have a great day troll.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Maybe I just need a nicotine fix

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

'I can stop whenever I want' where have we heard that before?

[–] random65837@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago
[–] ICastFist@programming.dev -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I suspect your struggle comes mostly from the habits, rather than the chemicals involved? I've known a number of cigar addicts that managed to quit, they often said that the hardest part was avoiding it after an activity, like a cigar after a cup of coffe, a cigar after a meal, etc. Being allowed cigar breaks during work also encourages use, since it's a "free pause"

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, but the chemically addictive and carcinogenic properties of nicotine aren't really up for debate. Unless you've made some outlandish scientific discovery you've failed to get peer reviewed...

I beg you to inform yourself: https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/quit-smoking-tips#why-quit

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

Nah fuck that guy

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

You don't have any fucking idea what your talking about. I stopped smoking cigarettes 2 months ago and switched to tobacco free pouches. I have been tapering down from 6 mg to 4 to now 2. And here's a good tip, especially when talking about addiction. You don't get a say in anyone else's experience amd diminishing another persons struggle makes you look like a real jackass, especially considering you have no experience of your own. I can tell because if you did you wouldn't be spouting this bullshit

[–] smellythief@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

not worse than booze.

is not doing your argument any favors.

[–] Goblin_Mode@ttrpg.network 10 points 2 years ago

I mean I'm no expert but I do have some knowledge on the subject.

The difference is how you injest it. Our stomachs are much more resilient than our lungs. Your stomach is, for all intents and purposes, a sac of acid that dissolves mostly anything you put in it, your lungs on the other hand literally only do 1 thing all day and it's breathe air. There are different qualities of air of course, and microparticles in it that could cause harm, but on the whole it's more or less all the same.

Its like dumping garbage into a sink vs. a paper bag. The sink will get disgusting, and you may end up with a clogged drain, messed up pipes, or worse. But at the end of the day if you just clean the mess and don't do it too often it will probably be fine. The paper bag on the other hand is gonna get Soggy, gross, and start falling apart in your hands. You can dry it out but it will never quite be the same..

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are you kidding? Booze is incredibly harmful!

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Yup, and it's allowed and easily accessible

[–] random65837@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

True, but people will never disconnect Nicotine from Smoking.