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[–] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Is there any evidence that Hamas have been committing sexual violence? I've been reading about this all day but haven't seen literally anything.

If they've done that, sure, fuck them, but all ive seen is racist libs trying to attribute it to them based on videos they refuse to share.

[–] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

I admit I haven’t watched any of the videos so I am going off of how people have described them.

My husband has been watching the videos, he said they were parading around a German tourist’s naked dead body.

And I’ve read in multiple places of a woman being thrown in a jeep with blood in the back of her pants.

I’m have been taking these at face value, but thank you for the reminder that we live in a new age of disinformation. I hope that the videos are fake.

EDIT: This Daily Mail article has screenshots of the two videos I referenced although the most graphic one is blurred. Not a reliable source, but evidence that these videos do exist and more legit news organizations are still doing more due diligence to verify their authenticity.

I think it is unlikely that a video was faked that happens to have the distinctive tattoos and hairstyle of a woman who was known to be in Israel at the time.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Even if it’s all legit, I think it’s worth interrogating why those are the videos being shown, and not videos of the extreme suffering the Palestinians have endured for decades.

[–] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That’s fair. Although in terms of sexual violence, I think there is less footage to show of Israeli perpetrators because it most frequently happens inside prisons and recording is not beneficial to Israel.

In general, I try not to comment on the Israeli occupation because I was propagandized from a very young age to be pro Israel and am still in the process of deprogamming. Even in this comment, I initially wrote the Isreali-Palestinian conflict before changing my language to Israeli occupation. So I appreciate you bringing a perspective that I overlooked.

I just don’t want us to hand wave sexual violence as “just a part of war.” To me, that’s the same argument as people saying communism sounds nice on paper, but human nature is greed and capitalism.

This is more of a why are men scenario, not why are Palestinians.

EDIT: Just want to clarify, when I say it mostly happens in prisons, I don’t mean that Israelis aren’t assaulting civilians. They arrest anyone they want, call them a terrorist, and do despicable things behind closed doors.

[–] SnAgCu@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

I just don’t want us to hand wave sexual violence as “just a part of war."

That doesn't really sit well with me either. Personally, my takeaway from these anecdotes is not that "these Israeli people deserve to be brutalized". It's that the sheer inhumanity of 80 years of occupation where ten times the brutality happened every single day recontextualizes the few atrocities we'll see amplified in our media showing how barbaric the Palestinian resistance is. I do think that's different from excusing sexual violence, and if anyone does that our mods should be quick to deal with them.

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