GenZedong

Lib position is fundamentally based on the notion that the west can dominate Russia. The whole rhetoric of saying that the west can't let Russia set the precedent of invading countries and so on is premised on the idea that the west is in a position to prevent Russia from doing so by force. The west hasn't had to do diplomacy for the past three decades and got used to simply dictating terms to the rest of the world.

Now, it's becoming increasingly evident that the west is not a position to fight Russia in a hot war or in an economic one. Sooner or later the liberal mainstream is going to have to grapple with this fact.

The argument liberals make today is that negotiation is not possible because Russia cannot be trusted. However, this is an infantile argument because politics have never been about trust. Politics are about understanding your own interests and the interests of your adversaries. You don't have to like or trust each other, but you have to have a mutual understanding of what your respective interests are. Once you do that then you can negotiate mutually agreeable terms with each other. This used to be understood when the west had to contend with the power of USSR, but seems to be a lost art nowadays. Hopefully the imbeciles running things in the west rediscover it before dragging us into a world war.