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[–] dark_stang@beehaw.org 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not inevitable, you could stop apartheid.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You think that Israel should ignore that a thousand of their citizens were slaughtered?

[–] dark_stang@beehaw.org 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wonder what could have provoked an attack like. Perhaps decades of oppressive occupation. Constantly escalating violence isn't going to fix this. But Israel is the side that can choose to end it by ending apartheid. All the imprisoned can do to improve their situation is try to fight out of it.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is one of those justification posts. To which I always respond that there is no justification for the various atrocities committed by Hamas. To which you respond with something about Israeli oppression. To which I respond that it still doesn't justify the vile and nasty nature of Hamas action and if your moral compass says it does I feel sorry for you. Then I slowly get bored with your inane ideology. Good. So that's it.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago

So you agree that both sides are doing terrible things and there are no good guys in this situation? Just innocents caught in the middle.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They've killed almost 1000 in Gaza now. Are you suggesting hamas shouldn't ignore that? When does it end.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is war. It ends when one side gives up or is destroyed.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Either side giving up will be genocide. Or destroyed, which is again genocide.

So essentially your idea of resolution is genocide.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not my idea. Name a war that ended differently.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

WW2. We didn't slaughter everyone in Germany.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

WWII ended with one side surrendering. There was quite a lot of slaughter before that happened.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Right but if one side surrenders here they'll lose their land and be destroyed. They aren't similar.

If hamas get Israel the Jewish population is fucked. Look at what's happening now when they crossed the border. That wasn't war it was slaughter of civilians.

If Israel get Gaza the Palestinian population is fucked. Look at the westbank. That is isn't war either.

It's not the same as any war. It's 100 years of religious / racial conflict.

The only end is an agreement or genocide. And 100 years have shown an agreement is unlikely.

They came over the border a killed 1000 civilians. In retaliation Israel has killed 1000 civilians in air strikes. It's not war. It's slaughter.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Its not a war for land, it's a war for cause. Its not Ukraine.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's been going on for 100 years and it's almost purely over land.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago

Not this time.