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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 2 years ago (20 children)

The funny parts is that a lot of anarchists hate MLs with a passion. Meanwhile, most MLs are sympathetic to what anarchists want, but just think that they're misguided in terms of their methods.

[–] RedSquid@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago (13 children)

I'm not even sure we have the same intended long-term goal as them tbh. At least, a lot I've come across really seem to think 'stateless' means no government, no large scale infrastructure, the old 'someone will make insulin as a hobby' meme.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I find it's more meaningful to talks about specific flavors of anarchism, such as anarcho-syndicalism. I can definitely see the appeal of what they want such as structuring businesses as worker owned coops. I just don't think they have an actual workable plan of how to get there. A lot of anarchists I've talked to though, do have infantile notion of society where they basically just expect everyone to just get along and be nice to each other.

[–] TheCommunismButton@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Anarcho-syndicalism seems pretty compatible with MLism, like they're just missing the complete picture and focusing on one specific part. The flavor of anarchism that's basically "we will abolish all hierarchies, governments, exploitation, wage labor, and currency in one fell stroke and create a post-scarcity society without a vanguard party or any transition period" seems wholly at odds with Marxism or even common sense.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago

Right, I suspect it comes down to how much education people have. The most extreme forms of anarchism are basically naive ideas of how human society works, and as people become educated their ideas start getting more nuanced, and eventually it starts looking a lot like Marxism because that's the only workable approach in the end.

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