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I do find this thing she said dogy...
I don't think Jewish people need reminding of the west's antisemitism - the west literally invented it and, despite all pretences to the contrary, has merely tried to hide it from view as opposed to actually dismantling it.
But apart from that her words are perfectly reasonable.
As an American Jew, I've almost gotten used to facing anti-semitism from the right. A Republican politician is tacitly approving of Nazis waving swastika flags and chanting anti-semitic slogans? Must be a day that ends in Y.
What's scared me is the anti-semitism I've seen from some on the left. I'm not talking about criticizing Israel or wanting the Palestinians to be safe. I don't count that as anti-semitism. I'm talking about people on the left saying that all Jews are responsible for what Israel is doing and saying that American Jews (including Jewish temples and Jewish owned businesses) are legitimate targets because Israel did stuff they disagree with. And then there are others on the left who try to gaslight Jews who say they are encountering anti-semitism - telling them that they aren't and are just imagining it.
Intellectually, I know this is a very vocal minority, but suddenly hearing this from the left while still hearing anti-semitic remarks from the right has me scared and not feeling safe. I don't want to publicly identify myself as Jewish in public for fear of encountering someone who either hates me for my religion or who holds me responsible for the actions of a country that I'm not a citizen of.
With all due respect, I've yet to see any Leftist discourse saying anything remotely like what you've written. Even on Hexbear.
yeah that's fucked.
Can you point to any examples of that?
In New Zealand, we have had synagogues targeted.
Here's a post from someone on Threads declaring that all Jews are legitimate targets. This was in response to an article about a Jewish Temple and Jewish owned bakery in America being vandalized.
I tried arguing with this person and they eventually limited their "it's okay to vandalize" to buildings that fly the Israeli flag - which would be every Jewish Temple in America.
Thank you, that is helpful.
As a leftist, and being honest about it, I feel the sympathy draining away from me. I see the long-term process of removing Palestinian people from their lands and all the oppression they go through in their daily lives. Then I see the corresponding silence or even intimidation of critics from the Jewish community in America. I disagree with that post you linked to, but I could see how one could evolve into that position as a leftist.
Again, thanks for that post. It helps me see the path I should avoid. We should find other ways to engage the Jewish communities in other countries to become more vocal against the Palestinian genocide by the Israeli government.
And paths to engage and discuss the issues is definitely the way forward. For example, I'm sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, but when I'm hearing anti-semitic remarks from pro-Palestinian folks, it makes me leery to publicly support the Palestinians. I know it's a vocal minority, but still it's unnerving.
Imagine if you believed a cause, went to march for that cause, and then saw some people calling for violence against you. Would you want to join that march?
No matter how good the cause is, having people there saying that I'm personally to blame because I'm Jewish makes me leery to join the cause.
I mean, nothing of what they've written here is emblematic of Leftist rhetoric.
It is entirely coded in left language.
"Open air prison," indiscriminately slaughtering 2.3 million people,' even the tumblr-esque "not repeat NOT" framing are all indicative of left language
If you don't believe me, here's the exact same thing said but just with right-coding. It's gonna sound really weird.
"Vandalizing a zionist symbol, when the zionists have been responsible for the deaths of thousands while taking billions of our dollars in foreign aid, is just freedom of speech. Wake up, repadamschiff
Focuses on monetary cost, "freedoms," and downplays the Israeli/Gazan rift for the more neutral "thousands." I threw in the "wake up" too since that's been heavily co-opted, but isn't technically a right-flag
People in different communities code their languag for their in-group and if you pay attention it's pretty easy to find, once you catch the commonalities.
Thats really awful. It's not OK to make all Jews wear the blame for another country's actions.
welcome to the irrationality of racism
It's unfortunate that Israeli propaganda has been unrelentingly conflating jewishness and israeliness. A real disservice to Jews everywhere.
To read the original comment again, you may find it's not about proving or disproving one form of hate but comparing with another level of hate in the country.
And, while there's no Olympic medal for hate victims being more victimized than another, the physical brand of hate muslims can be a little exceptional after the 1900s. Not being a member of either group, my read of the 'taste of' quote would have been more received if the comparison to Germany in the late 1900s was more blatant.
But I'll take this moment to add: the friends I have whom I know follow Judaism do not hate like one state demands they hate. And that needs to change.
Wait, what?
I think they're referring to stuff like this: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-paints-palestinians-as-animals-to-legitimize-war-crimes-israeli-scholar/3030278
That doesn't really make sense though. Why would their friends not hating in this way need to change?
Yeah, I couldn't see anything in that statement to defend. It was stupid as best, and makes her sound like she condones the behavior. Like you said, Jewish people don't need a reminder of anti-semitic hate and violence.