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What do you propose? Just accept the massacres?
Advocate for shit that would actually change things.
Enforce our ban on domestic abusers owning firearms. We already passed it, but no one enforces it. It would eliminate a huge chunk of gun violence in the nation, but its not as appealing to the mob as the "assault style" ban.
Or both?
One is favored by both sides of the aisle and has already been passed. There are yet more measures that are favored by a vast majority of the population and have data to support their effectiveness. We should start with the low hanging fruit before we start climbing the tree.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/
Apparently so since we are currently focusing on laws that won't pass when we could instead be focusing on the ones that will be easy to pass.
If you want to eat now then reach for the low hanging fruit. If you want to proceed to see people getting shot with no changes, then pursue a law that will get held up in the house for months or years before most likely not passing. No single one of these laws will fix the problem, but a collection of them will, there's a long road ahead for gun control advocates and they need to atleast start building momentum
I guess I'd ask you the same question. I don't have a proposal because I don't think any of it will make it through Congress. And if it somehow made it through Congress, the Supreme Court would strike it as unconstitutional.
Short of voting out these members of Congress and balancing the court, there's no hope of reform. So drop the issue to appeal to more voters. Win more elections, balance the court, then you're in a position to effect change.
Also, AWBs are pretty useless. They tend to grandfather in existing weapons and they exclude handguns, which are the weapon used most often to commit murder. Magazine limits, which were in the 1994 law, were the only piece to show a genuine reduction in violent crimes.
I guess my proposal would be to repeal and replace 2a. Probably won't happen until the silent gen and the boomers are gone.
I strongly disagree with you, but I definitely give you credit for at least actually saying it.
Most that I've had this discussion with insist they don't want to touch the second amendment and revoke the rights of law abiding gun owners... then most of their ideas both won't solve gun violence while also stripping millions of people who've never broken a gun law of their rights without due process.
Guns are one issue where I strongly break with the Typical American Left™, but if you're going to be anti-gun, I absolutely give you credit for having the wherewithal to just say what you really want.
Well, I also said "replace." Something that's clearer and won't be misinterpreted like the "well-regulated militia."
Something that's under control like they have in most other developed countries where you can still own a weapon in many instances, but it's much safer and gun-related crime is way down.
I'm just, under no circumstance, willing to accept the massacres of children or other innocent people. And pretending it has nothing to do with the weapons is just disingenuous.
Your virtue signaling aside, I feel it's disingenuous to pretend it does come down to the weapons.
Americans have owned millions of guns throughout its entire existence. Why all the shootings in the news now?
I guess the guns finally got serious about their mind control plot to wipe out all the humans.
Mental illness and easy access to weapons is a toxic combination not found in other developed countries. That's why.
I don't think any generation of 3/4 of the states is ratifying that.
Maybe, maybe not.
Some variation on this is the inevitable outcome. It's same story as with say, universal health care. We already know the solution, we just have assholes and people stuck in the past preventing it. At some point, most of them will die off and society moves on.
Universal health care has been on the national stage since Teddy Roosevelt in 1912. Over a century and not much to show for it.
The problem with eventually is that there's no measure of success, since you can never be wrong, it's just not eventually yet.
How many countries have pulled it off? It's laughable to think it is impossible here. Everything I've suggested has already been implemented elsewhere. It's pretty logical to assume it can happen here too.
I assume you've pivoted now to universal healthcare...but I'm not sure. No one said it's impossible, for that matter, no one said gun control is impossible. Just that it won't pass a Republican controlled legislative body, and I assume it would be struck down by the Supreme Court...same as gun control. Change both of those (Congress & Court) and you've got a chance.
The point is that opposition to both is not some permanent feature of the US government. Nor will the SCOTUS always be far right.
You could save so much time if you just turned your account into a bot that replied as follows:
There comes a point when you become just a white nationalism apologist. As such, you can go fuck yourself.
What are you talking about? The fact that I've repeatedly asked you when and how we can effect change under your model, and you've ignored the questions and repeatedly stated that it will eventually happen (as if by magic), that makes me a white nationalist apologist??? Congratulations, I didn't think you could make a more idiotic reply, but you did it! Good for you!
Further proof your vapid comments are as empty as your mind.
Again, you are a white nationalism apologist. The problem here is you.
Again, your explanations are as vacant as the space between your ears. You've clearly used multiple words you couldn't even define.
Again, you're an apologist for white nationalism.
Awww... someone's mad. 😡
Pretty obvious that's you.
Poor baby, so mad.
LOL
Or you know, actually interpret the way it was written. Most "gun enthusiasts" are not part of a "well regulated militia".
Sure but we've proven incapable of that. Repeal it and replace it with something that cannot be misinterpreted.
Exactly.
Say it with me, "The State should not have a monopoly on violence."
So, no suggestion other than just accepting the massacres?
While I agree with all of those things, let's remember that the same party that wants to do nothing about gun control will also not provide universal healthcare, a living wage, will provide no regulation of the labor market that could provide improved work-life balance, no family leave, no funding for universal college-level education.
All things that make it possible to live rather than just survive. And maybe people would be less desperate. Republicans say no.