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I've recently read"The Verge: Reformation, Renaissance, and Forty Years that Shook the World" and want to hear what all of you think the answer is, because I feel like the book was missing something in its thesis and I am not very sure what that is.

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[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (12 children)

so until the 1800s the Europeans were not actually militarily advantaged over asia/the middle east. 1500s-1700s it was always a pretty close run affair, and the imperial outposts relatively small. european naval vessels were relatively well-armed and nice, but other nations weren't unable to field reasonable equivalents. this early period of colonial conquests were fueled mostly by the looting of america, small-on-the-map european countries could outspend you, even if their soldiers weren't much better armed. i'm not counting america because it's really difficult to win wars against smallpox

but once the europeans have the steamship its joever. motherfuckers moving against the wind, faster than any boats before slipping troops places and bombarding shit nobody thought possible with blinding speed. from a european perspective, seeing the steady progression and failings it's a bit less dramatic, but for an asian nation one day the barbarians showed up with these things in a world that only knows wind and oar power. and the engineering to make your own relies on a bunch of ground-based shit you don't have yet either

as to why europeans got the steamship, that's from the development of capitalism and the looting of america

[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Thank you for that perspective, I didn't realize steampower was that dramatic, but you framed it well.

[–] captcha@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Steam power is insane outside of boating. Before all the work in your society must come from potential energy stored in food. After steam you could get free work out of rocks.

[–] thisismyrealname@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i hate to be a pedant but wind and water were also good power sources prior to steam

[–] captcha@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

True but they couldn't scale on-demand as steam can. Still can't, but energy storage is the solution now.

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