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[–] corbin 19 points 2 years ago (9 children)

FOSS bros: we’re all about user choice!

also FOSS bros: no not like that

[–] shrugal@lemm.ee 58 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's pretty logical actually: The advocates of openness must be closed to one thing, and that is whatever aims to destroy openness itself.

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] whereisk@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is like inviting the Catholic church in an institution specifically built to protect former victims of same and similar institutions.

Given that anyone can start an instance and federate with Threads, or join an instance that does, freedom of choice is unaffected.

[–] krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We just don't want history repeating itself like what happened with xmpp. Do you really think facebook of all companies is joining the fediverse with good intentions? Do you really think they're not trying to monopolize this?

[–] rglullis@communick.news 3 points 2 years ago

Last I checked, the people using XMPP are still running happily using servers and clients.

All 17 of them.

[–] theterrasque 1 points 2 years ago

I gotta ask.. were you around and actively using xmpp around that time?

Because I was. And xmpp struggling had nothing to do with Google

[–] halm@leminal.space 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You're downplaying your own part, in between those two statements.

Internet rando: "I choose to enable this corporate, repeat privacy offender in strongarming its way into the open, federated web"

Edit: spelling

[–] MostlyHarmless@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How is Threads going to breach your privacy by federating with your instance? How is de federating from Threads going to protect your privacy?

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you think this is Threads' final form? Embrace, extend, extinguish. This is what corporations do. Everything is a zero sum game in their minds, and they will act in the best interest of shareholders. That shit has no business here.

[–] halm@leminal.space 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was going to reply but you nailed it. Its about outmaneuvering smaller competitors and controlling the marketplace, and then harvesting user data for profit.

[–] MostlyHarmless@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They can already harvest the data. Nothing on the ActivityPub is private

[–] halm@leminal.space 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sure, ignore my actual point. This is getting monotonous; enjoy Threads.

[–] MostlyHarmless@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What point was that? If you don't join Threads, they don't have your data. They do have everything you publish to the Fediverse though, no matter what you do.

[–] halm@leminal.space 0 points 2 years ago

Buddy...

Its about outmaneuvering smaller competitors and controlling the marketplace

Work on your reading retention instead of plastering your one-note hot take all over the convo. This exchange is over.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Someone failed ethics class really hard.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

So many people here are acting like lions, jaguars, attack zebras etc don’t exist. There is no way on this earth that meta is coming into the fediverse with good intentions. Just because we advocate for FOSS doesn’t mean we have to be foolish and vulnerable. Being closed to meta is consistent with being supportive of FOSS, because make no mistake, meta is here to kill the fediverse.

[–] FuyuhikoDate@silkky.pub 1 points 2 years ago

relevant xkcd my friend ;) The fediverse is still open.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, can't expect people in power not to use it to further their agenda.

[–] yuki2501@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You just sounded like:

You don't allow nazi clubs in your area? Ah hah! Gotcha! So much for the "tolerant left"!

🙄

Seriously, why are there so many people ignorant of the damage Facebook has done not only to social media, but to democracy as a whole? You're aware of Facebooks role in Trump's election in 2016, aren't you? Haven't you heard of Cambridge Analytica? Of the Russian troll farms? Of the millions of fake Republican Facebook accounts?

(Sometimes I wonder: Is Lemmy getting filled with shills, or are people THAT clueless? Has the pandemic suddenly affected our long term memory or something?)

How can you not know about this? Seriously!

[–] corbin -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, I’m aware. Fediverse also has nazis, they’re everywhere. I can put on my big boy pants and block them as I see them, instead of an admin doing collateral damage and preventing from talking to all the other people who won’t leave Threads.

[–] yuki2501@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

. I can put on my big boy pants and block them as I see them, instead of an admin doing collateral damage and preventing

Okay first, you have no fucking idea how online harassment works. I've seen numerous cases of people being attacked, even doxxed, hy hordes of assholes. Imagine a single mother who can barely have time to work and attend their children, to deal with this shit. And you know? It happens ALL THE TIME to BIPOC users on the fedi.

"Hey, the nazis are invading Poland, why aren't you on the frontlines carrying your gun?" As if there wasn no such thing as innocent CIVILIANS. In a world where speaking up is punished by dogpiling, harassing and doxxing, people just prefer to flee because their admins don't do shit to defend them. Ask ANY Black person on Mastodon what it's like to be harassed online.

Second, forcing people deal with the problems of harassment puts the burden of blocking on the end user. (From another POV, it's the e-mail spam problem if you think about it. Dogpiling is a social form of DDOSing someone, and there's no way to prevent it except by mass blocking the source of the attacks.

Letting an instance admin defederate from a problematic instance protects ALL the admin's users with minimal effort on their part. If a threads user is defederated they can as well switch to another instance, nobody stops them.

Are they not happy with how their instance is treated? Demand changes to the instance, after all they paid for it, didn't they? Oh they didn't? Then who's finacing and controlling it then?

Consider defederation the invisible hand of the market turned visible.

Defederation is NOT damage. On the other hand, people suffering emotional distress from harassment IS damage.