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Remember when Republicans used to yell "better dead than red!" to show their hostility to the USSR and communism?
Now too many of them are preoccupied with twerking for the authoritarian roach that emerged from the USSR's corpse (and which still has a lot in common with it).
Also, the Republican party is now the red party, which is pretty funny.
And just as it was back then, the red menace was ALWAYS about distracting the masses away from voting against corporate interests
Don't forget they changed the pledge allegiance to put in under God to shove another thing in the Russians face.
And the money
I don't get what's strange about this. They didn't like commies, Russia is no longer even calling itself socialist, so why would they still be hostile to the Russians?
What if I told you all he funding we have given Ukraine has only harmed them?
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Sorry that is only worth two.
You're generous with your potato allotment, I think that was a one tater comment at most.
Sorry, you are follwing me around, that gets you blocked.
Do you still get paid if you don't engage?
It's almost comical to see "leftists" scream about the lies that Trump and GOP tell - but if you suggest there was a diplomatic solution they explode immediately lol. War propaganda is working incredibly well these days and any pacifist notion is attacked as subversive and downvoted. Vast majority of millennials and gen Z are just as brainwashed and are murderous war mongers the boomers were.
PS: I'm really missing a fitting word for this. They are not fascists and nationalists or imperialists is too weak. War mongers sounds a bit lame too.
I think millenials and older know about how the left used to be the party of peace and the right was the war mongers. Now some of the rights is still warmongers but the left is just as bloodthirsty. Its like "Putin must pay!!!! Send more Ukrainian young men to their death!!!"
You mean they don't know about the left being pro peace? Or that they are overcompensating because they do know?
There is a documentary by Adam Curtis about how the rhetoric in geopolitics changed to good vs evil, not just Reagan but all the third way leftists. A very successful PR / brainwashing campaign.
But ever since Ukraine started this has massively changed on reddit which is supposedly "leftist". Presumably the "science and technology of propaganda" is improving. If the Irak and Afghanistan happened today, there wouldn't be any major opposition to it online. There wasn't any in mainstream media either at the time, but back then the internet actually was less... warmongery?
I dont know if they dont know what the more traditional leftists believed in back in the 90s and earlier, or other interests have taken over their rhetoric, or if they are just using the oppressor - oppressed world view to pick Ukraine and Palestine. Do you think they got co-opted by big business interests or something else?
Yeah definitely there is PR push. All the mainstream articles are written in a way that maximizes these viewpoints. I don't know where exactly it comes from but besides military industrial complex there is still oil and extraction of resources and general empire stuff there are a lot of business interest tied to maintaining hegemony.
For Ukraine specifically I also speculate that it's because Ukraine is a breadbasket. With climate change, food prices are going to become unstable so having control of that region is not just good business, for the empire it's an important strategic goal. West-Ukraine will mostly be owned by EU and US because of the incredible debt.
The other goal here is that we'll see like a billion climate refugees in a few decades which will lead to wars. And Russia has tons of borders that could be corridors. So it's good to destabilize and isolate Russia in advance of these climate wars so that the worst chaos isn't happening in Europe. Similar with China. They'd want to encircle their geopolitical rivals so they don't have that much room to maneuver.
This is all speculation and I'm really not sure if "they" think this strategically. But Nato baiting Ukraine was imho a definite trap to "force" Russia into this conflict. Fuck Stoltenberg for example. Not that I don't blame Russia!
Interesting, I would guess that you are probably right, but I have been at an utter loss as to what happened to these people that they went from reasonable to completely unreasonable.
I dont even try to share the part where NATO/US were the main pressure at to why this war is happening, I think it would make their heads explode. I just try to point out how with the median (or maybe mean) age of the Ukrainian troops is 43, the war is going to be over soon.
@CableMonster@lemmy.ml, I’m an admin on lemmy.ml, and we’re getting complaints of you trolling this post. After dozens of comments, maybe you’ve had your say and it’s time to stop threadsitting on the conversation. I approved your account request this week, please don’t make me regret it.
If I am responding to people that are responding to me how is that a problem? Maybe the people claiming I am a troll are the problem not me.
Maybe you don’t know how to take a hint and want your account to be temporarily banned.
I suppose you can do what you want, but I would think it would be fair to directly tell me what I did that was wrong if you expect my behavior to change.
It is not, as you said, that you’re dissenting from the standard narrative, at least not to me. It is threadsitting and making rather rude comments.
You may or may not have noticed that lemmy.world mods/admins have removed some of your comments already: https://lemmy.ml/u/CableMonster That is often a precursor to them banning you from the !News@lemmy.world community or even the entire lemmy.world instance.
As an aside, most Lemmy instances consist predominantly of imperial core liberals, and lemmy.world is no exception. It’s a tough crowd over there in terms of this proxy war.
Much appreciated. The mods here at !news@lemmy.world prefer civil discourse. If we see someone not displaying civility (attacking the person, not the argument), trolling, being racist, sexist, or being a bigot, we will remove a comment.
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I respond flippantly in comments in response to rude comments, I am ALWAYS respectful to people that are not rude.
I dont mind taking direct action and following rules, but I need to know what is expected. What am I supposed to do about an unprovoked comment such as "Then I’d call you a complete liar with a weak grasp on reality, and a poor understanding of where and when you ought to open your ill-informed mouth, before I walked off and continued with my day, secure in the knowledge that you’re as wrong about something as it’s physically possible to be." ? A comment that I would note is not deleted (unless I am using this site incorrectly).
If you haven't, read Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent". Just as applicable today, just the science on how to manipulate people got more advanced. Newspapers are full of bias, and it made me feel isolated until I understood the mechanisms (see propaganda model) of why this is so. But I'm at a bit of a loss too why reddit has been "taken over" this rabidly. Pacifist notions are now buried in "controversial".
And 43, wow. I would have thought that as long as the US and Europe are pumping weapons into Ukraine the war will keep going.
Social media is even more of bias. Literally the last comment is that I need to leave this thread because "and we’re getting complaints of you trolling this post. After dozens of comments, maybe you’ve had your say and it’s time to stop threadsitting on the conversation. I approved your account request this week, please don’t make me regret it." Literally you cant dissent from the standard narrative.
Well, one can get a bit frustrated and shitpostery among all this warmongering. It's a kind of gaslighting. "Oh you want peace? Compromise? You fascist!" :D