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OPINION: NATO sucks, but cheering for Russia is unsolidaric (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 2 years ago by WageSlave@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml

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Hey, comrades. I am new to lemmygrad and find it odd that there are so many marxist-leninist defending a war of agression started by an oligarch, possibly the richest man in the world. I get that you want to say that NATO is a source of evil on the global stage, but in this particular case you are defending Putin, a warlord, who has invaded many of his neighbouring countries and has stated plans to continue his campaign for megalomanial reasons.

No war but class war. Enabling an autocrat fascist oligarch does not do anything to counter the bad stuff done by NATO and the community should take a firm stand against the use of war for the sake of satisfying the dreams of a tyrant.

This is not a troll post or anything to that extent. Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but I think it needed to be said.

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[–] WageSlave@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Their evil oligarchs, our billionaires (they are all bourgeois). But really, Putin is less characterized by owning the means of production than by treading water among a host of competing bourgeois interests.

Started by Putin or his group of bourgeois thugs is not important. It is done in their interest at the expense of the proletariat.

get that you want to say that NATO is a source of evil on the global stage,

Is it not?

Yes it is.

Who cares what he says (though I don’t even know what you’re referring to)? Unless you’re living in Russia his rhetoric doesn’t really affect you and, as a liberal politician, it’s not going to match the actions or motivations of the ruling class.

I care about his rhetoric because many of the things he has said he would do, he has also done, some of which has been a tragedy for those bordering Russia. My post called supporting the war unsolidaric, and I still think it is. I think we should have solidarity for all people of the world, inside Russia, bordering Russia and everywhere else. The problem is people are dying unnecessarily for his groups capital gains and we should not be in support of that.

Liberal Great Man theory

No, I think this is reductionist rhetoric from you. Putin is the head of government and no one ever rules alone, that goes without saying. Being head of government makes him an immediate symbol of the government he represents, that is kind of the point of being the head of anything. As such it is disingenuous to say that I talk about "great man" theory when I am indeed talking about the specific actions committed by a regime with him at the forefront. That being said, there is no way one can look at the politics of Russia and say that Putin is a weak leader. He holds much power and has much responsibility for what is going on.

Why did it need to be said?

I was not wrong when I considered this might be a controversial opinion here and I simply do not think it should be.

[–] CarlMarks@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Started by Putin or his group of bourgeois thugs is not important. It is done in their interest at the expense of the proletariat.

Okay but that describes every big decision made in a capitalist country. We moved from "started by an oligarch" to here.

I care about his rhetoric because many of the things he has said he would do, he has also done, some of which has been a tragedy for those bordering Russia.

Okay free to listen to the 1:10 ratio of signal to noise but you can get a more reliable idea of military biases from someone like Lavrov.

No, I think this is reductionist rhetoric from you. Putin is the head of government and no one ever rules alone, that goes without saying.

Your post is full of rhetoric that boils the war down to Putin and his whims. I'm describing your reductionism. It does not go without saying, it's the predominant (mis)understanding spread in liberal media everywhere, and why psychologizing Putin is basically its own news topic at this point.

I was not wrong when I considered this might be a controversial opinion here and I simply do not think it should be.

Your cowardly selective quoting is noted.