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for the record, like almost all big classic sci-fi, these books (dune) are remarkably bigoted and reductive. i still like space stories and political intrigue tho.
alt text: Trade Offer from Sand Worm Leto Atreides. You receive: 4000 years of planet bound subjugation. Spice, eventually. Famine. Sex ninjas from outer space. Golden Path... I recieve: Like 70 something Duncan Idahos. Gentle Hwi.
Yeah, later books seem like Frank Herbert was way too obsessed with sex. The idea of Honored Maitres as using sex to control humans seemed pretty misogynistic, even at the time (yes, eventually there was a guy, too). Still, I think the whole “put humanity in a pressure cooker so they explode outwards when the lid is gone” concept was pretty thought-provoking. Also the Siona project; if prescience is a real thing in that universe, it can be studied and understood, then weaponized. How do you defend against an enemy that knows where and when you’ll be?
It gets overlooked today, but Barron Harkonnen is a gay stereotype. Overlooked because gay men being hyperviolent is a stereotype that's long died out, but it was a thing.
Dune starts in a weird place and it gets weirder as it goes.
I'm reading Chapterhouse right now and my God Frank has some real sexual issues doesn't he? I thought the Idaho gholas in God-Emperor were weird enough.
Still, as a critique on power structures, Dune as a whole is phenomenal
May I introduce you to John Norman and the wholesome little planet of Gor?
Jesus, i bought one of those from a little book store years ago because "cool cover!"
I remember that I was making small talk with the clerk/owner and said something like "this book looks rad!" And he gave me one of those slightly long "suuurree" replies.
I was maybe 30 pages in later and just put it down. "Really fucked up misogyny as a civilization" aint exactly a great genre.
Or is it the best genre?
Don't look for a film adaptation any time soon.
eta: I went to look Gor up in wikipedia and Holy Shit! He's still publishing them as ebooks! #38 is coming out this year.