Would you believe that I don't want to eat just plants and pills for each meal? Would you also believe that I disagree with the industrialization of farming and the animal abuse that is so commonly paired with it.

There are humane ways to eat meat, and while they're difficult to find, it's a lot easier than eating what most people would consider disgusting everyday.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yes you don't want to just eat plants, hence you are eating animals for taste pleasure.

Why do you think it's okay to kill someone for pleasure? What's humane about that?

[–] coffeekomrade@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Man, you are gonna be real mad when you learn how conservation and wildlife management works

[–] MarioSpeedWagon@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ploughing fields for plants kills animals too

[–] BlackRose@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 years ago

If everyone were vegan, only a quarter of current farmland would be needed

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah and having an accident with your car may also kill people. Should that count as murder? You know, since apparently intention is irrelevant.

[–] MarioSpeedWagon@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I think it already does

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don't know what you are talking about.

[–] MarioSpeedWagon@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Vehicular manslaughter under a variety of different names is a crime in many many maaaaannnny countries.

[–] door_in_the_face@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You should look up the definition of murder. Murder requires intent, otherwise it's manslaughter.

[–] m532@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not everywhere

[–] door_in_the_face@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago

Ok sure, but a fair justice system should differentiate between intentionally killing someone and accidentally causing a death, right? Giving the same punishment to someone who kills their spouse because they cheated vs. someone who lost control of their car and crashed into a pedestrian would be extremely weird.

[–] osmn@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Animals other than humans aren't people, that's why it's okay. You should be the first law enforcement official that prosecutes predatorial non-human animals

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It's shocking to me how many people don't understand that saying "they aren't the same species as us, so because of that we can treat them with impunity" is analogous to saying "they aren't the same skin color as us, so because of that we can treat them with impunity"

[–] osmn@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

See, now you're actually just forcing your worldview on people. They literally are not people, they are not sentient, intelligent, nor do they have language. They are not analagous to people, and you comparing this to racism is a really shitty attempt at ad hominem.

Grow up.

[–] 4ce@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

they are not sentient

Science disagrees with you here. Most of the animals being used for meat are in fact not just sentient, but also conscious:

Convergent evidence indicates that non-human animals have the neuroanatomical, neurochemical, and neurophysiological substrates of conscious states along with the capacity to exhibit intentional behaviors. Consequently, the weight of evidence indicates that humans are not unique in possessing the neurological substrates that generate consciousness. Non-human animals, including all mammals and birds, and many other creatures, including octopuses, also possess these neurological substrates.

-- From the Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

[–] osmn@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Got me on that point - my primary point is that due to their lesser function, and extremely different species, I find it just fine to consume them given they're raised properly, and aren't constantly in pain. Y'know, not in cages, and not exploiting the definition of "grass fed", or "organic", or whatever Tyson wants to advertise next that makes rich people feel like they're the good guys.

Ultimately, once lab meat can be of the same quality and easily accessible/affordable, then I'd consider switching. No reason not to. Until then, it's the easiest, most accessible, most fulfilling, and healthiest way to get the nutrients we need, and doesn't weigh on my conscience, nor should it.

Fuck Tyson though, those bastards can go to hell.