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Cat's shouldn't be putting a dent in the bird population because they shouldn't be outside. They're an invasive species that can definitely destroy local ecosystems.
Yes habitat destruction is reducing bird population, but that doesn't excuse the irresponsibility of cat owners that let their cats outside. All that accomplished is creating two problems.
I don't understand why people are so defensive about this. Study after study shows that cats are fucking terrible for native ecosystems.
Not just that, outdoor cats live much shorter lives. There is literally no reason to put a cat outside unless you hate your pet and your ecosystem.
It's irresponsible and stupid, but my sweet baby would never!
Or it's not fair to keep them inside all day! Okay build an enclosure outside they can go into like a responsible owner.
I don't even know what all to say to the chucklefuck that thinks it's fine that the Scottish Wildcat is being bred to extinction. It's okay though because that's just evolution.
Humanity was a fucking mistake
Yes only in America are wild cats threatening native cat's food sources. At least you're able to see America from your pedestal.
Realistically, though, that's no different from blaming climate change on plastic straws.
Except plastic straws don't really do anything to accelerate climate change and cats can decimate bird populations
Except plastic straws aren't actively hunting marine creatures.
Domesticated cats are not native to north america and western Europe, and people should be more responsible in how they care for their pets, especially the ones that are invasive fucking species.
Also, 2 things can be true. It's possible that bird populations are being decimated by ecological destruction as well as the mass breeding and free roaming of invasive predators introduced by humans.
Edit: clarified that I meant domesticated cats
Fantastically, a wild cat isn't a domestic cat! Wow! Who knew!
I'm not american
The discussion involved housecats, I assumed it would be obvious that I was referring to housecats, not fucking wildcats
Housecats are native to Egypt and are descendants of the African wildcat
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/sites/default/files/free-ranging-and-feral-cats.pdf
https://academic.oup.com/jel/article/32/3/391/5640440
https://www.tilburguniversity.edu/current/press-releases/cats-must-stay-indoors-protect-wildlife
Stop thinking that things that make you feel bad about your world view are "patently false information based on an amero-centric worldview". Please and fucking thank you
Facts and sources, better downvote because that doesn't match my vibes about my outdoor cats lmfao
I edited one word of my comment because I had another reply from someone who misunderstood what I was referring to, so i clarified so there wouldnt be further confusion, not to give myself an excuse to be snarky.
I've read the article you've provided a number of times previously and while yes, it does indicate that there is no scientific evidence for my claim, it is limited to the UK.
I don't see what interbreed-ability has to do with invasiveness?
I provided 3 sources, one was American, the others were from Oxford (also in the UK last I checked) and Tillburg (Netherlands), both discussing the EU broadly
Here is another study from the checks notes British Ecological Society which concludes in part
If you're not going to read the evidence I'm providing, while saying I'm only providing americentric evidence, then I'm going to respectfully abandon this thread. I apologize for the snark, that was uncalled for.
Edit: formatting only
Wild Cats Of North America:
Bobcat
Canada Lynx
Puma / Mountain Lion / Cougar
Ocelot
Jaguarundi
Jaguar
Margay
I was specifically referring to domesticated cats not being native to these regions since that was what is being discussed.
I'd argue a housecat and a bobcat share a similar ecological niche. Haven't the housecats simply replaced the bobcats that were largely removed by humans?
You don't let your cats out for the same reason zoos don't let their bears out into your fucking neighborhood ya goddamn dingus. They don't belong there and can do serious damage to the local fauna.
also outdoor cats live an average of 3-5 years.
Indoor cats live can for 15-20+.
So sure, if you are pro-premature cat death. Let your pet cat outside.
Hey guys we also killed most other predators, but it's okay because my cat can live longer and kill more birds
Because we're more responsible at this one thing apparently. They're invasive. You want to let them outside take them to their native habitat.
So you release your cat in the wild to kill the food source for native cats?
So irresponsible cat owners let their cats outside and didn't neuter or spay them. Cool beans.
It's just evolution lol
Yet the subject was about what cats do to bird populations and you hopped in with your cat fucking gotcha. Good job in derailing the topic.