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[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Nah, this is a fine thing to do and I support it heartily!

Especially recommend stuff like this when reading theory, Lenin likes to call dudes out by name and hyper specific organizations and membership etc, when those details don't really matter much for my purposes reading this 120 years later

Ive never actually gone in and replaced names, but I kind of glance at them and go "this is guy 1" and move on

Or more specifically like "opportunist leader of anti-bolshevik faction guy" etc etc. It's really not worth remembering every single name

Also, some people find remembering names hard, let alone unfamiliar ones

This is however still a funny post lol

[–] DerEwigeAtheist@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

A novel is not a piece of political theory. The aims are different, also russian naming conventions are more complex than english ones.

Also I believe on should try and actually engage with the cultural context of a piece of art(the novel) and not just to actively remove it. Why read russian literature then?

[–] ToxicDivinity@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Different people struggle with different things. Everyone's different

[–] DerEwigeAtheist@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Engaging with the cultural context of a classic novel is part of reading it. Of course it can be difficult, but it is a russian piece of literature. It is an integral part of what it is, on a conceptual level. If you take that away you have a fundamentally different work. What's the poin then? This is not about ability, at least I don't think so, there is a glossary is there after all(in the better translations at least).

Like, I agree, fuck the names of obscure political groups from a hundred years ago. Outside of specific contexts they are generally not needed for understanding the theory. But theory is not a narrative novel.

[–] ToxicDivinity@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you take that away you have a fundamentally different work. What's the poin then?

You're already reading a translation. You're already reading a fundamentally different work

I agree that it's good to try to understand things that are foreign to you but if that's too difficult then do whatever works best for you it's not a big deal

[–] DerEwigeAtheist@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What tge person in the post there is doing isn't working. Replacing the names in a way that still provides the same context(which is your proposal) would need you to understand exactly why each name is used each time, it is more exhausting than just learning the names. The translation also left the names in place, they didn't try to translate it, because that is a ludicrous idea. I am not sure it is possible.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We don't think thats working either for the guy in the post

[–] DerEwigeAtheist@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I spent too many words to say "This is a bad idea, don't do it" tbh

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