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[–] chalkman@sh.itjust.works 55 points 2 years ago (101 children)

Hard-core authoritarian communist. The kinda peeps who support Stalin and shit

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 33 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Isn't "authoritarian communist" kind of an oxymoron? 😂 like the whole point of communism is that there isn't a ruling class. I guess Russia and China were never really communist, just statist authoritarian right? I mean, the Nazis called themselves Socialist. They were nowhere near that

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 31 points 2 years ago

Isn’t “authoritarian communist” kind of an oxymoron?

Yes. Yes, it is. I sometimes call them “pseudocommunists” for this reason.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Isn't "authoritarian communist" kind of an oxymoron?

Most real life implementations of communism used an authoritarian one party system. You can say these aren't true examples of communism, but that just ends up sounding like cope unfortunately.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org 25 points 2 years ago

None of those states ever gave economic or political power to the working classes.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago

Fair point. Though so far, there hasn't really been any system at all that didn't lead to genocide and/or class based opression. From monarchs to feudal Lords to capitalist oligarchies and communist dictators, terrible people always rise to the top.

[–] blackbelt352@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 years ago

As how Marx outlined Communism as the evolution of Capitalism once it reaches a scale of production that everyone can have their needs met, resulting in a classless, stateless, moneyless society, then yes authoritarian communist is an oxymoron.

[–] learning2Draw@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Communism must be enforced somehow, it just ends up being authoritarian because of that

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The same can be said for capitalism though.

Capitalism must be enforced somehow, it ends up being an oligarchy or authoritarian because of that.

[–] learning2Draw@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not sure I disagree, necessarily, but that's the answer to your question.

it's also not an either or situation

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