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Let’s take a trip on DMT. Welcome to the Dank Microwave Taco or DMT for short. Anything and everything goes in here. Be sure to share your experience on DMT with your friends, family and social media. @WiggleHard bans nothing and exiles nobody (Dont doxx wolfballs users, no posting of porn/nudes or foot fetish material unless it involves political scandals, no ads for sex sites or dating sites; do that on your own time, no solicitation for pyramid scams, no posting job advertisements unless from official job sites, no posts supporting pedophilia, not all love is love) also: (we cannot allow violations of the patriot act concerning how we speak, no calls for violence, suggesting you are personally harming someone ect. These things are not free speech protected by law but actually against the law and could get the website shut down.) (no spam posting, especially spam posting of what could be considered symbols of hate) examples: guy posting nazi flag 5 times in one day, guy posting “whitey is the devil over and over, im going to use my best judgement on this one rule)

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[–] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yes, the owner of each instance can decide which other instances to federate with. I wouldn't call this paternalism or authoritarianism though, as you are free to use whatever instance you like, and thus are able to see whichever content you want to see. If someone chooses to join an instance that defederates pretty much every other instance, well that's simply their choice. The only issue I see is when someone who wants to join Lemmy is told "just join any instance, it does not matter which" as this is bullshit. It absolutely matters which instance you join.

[–] masterofballs@exploding-heads.com 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I wouldn’t call this paternalism or authoritarianism though, as you are free to use whatever instance you like, and thus are able to see whichever content you want to see.

Hard disagree. It's a power imbalance. Instance admins are technologically more powerful than their users. on average. The user did not consent to having their ability to read other's opinions censored. It is often done after joining. It is digital oppression. The technology is flawed. It gives a unjust amount of power to a few specific kinds of people.

[–] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The user gives their consent the moment they sign up to a given instance. And they continue to consent for as long as they decide to use that instance rather than to switch to a different one. No one is forcing them to continue using that specific instance.

You can call this a power imbalance, but ultimately, the admins are only as powerful as the users allow them to be. Hosting an instance does not grant an admin any power by default, rather it is earned by gaining and retaining the trust of users, and it is lost as soon as the users decide to switch to another instance.

Or for another angle: Suppose you set up a server and allow others to use it for free. Why wouldn't you be allowed to limit the content you host on your own server? The other users are guests, by hosting an instance you are providing them with a free service, it's only reasonable for you to be allowed to decide on which terms you do so.

[–] masterofballs@exploding-heads.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm saying the whole paradigm is admin centric when it should be user centric. Thats why i've been advocating for nostr lately. Which makes Switching instances easier.

The problem with the fediverse is it makes it to hard to switch instances and gives to much power to admins.

We can fix this issue by moving development over to nostr. That way if a admin bans content a user can just pull that content from another relay.

the first step is identifying the problem. Admitting it is a problem and then talk about solutions. Mastodon allows account migrations. Which helps and lemmy should too. But it's not good enough when admin has the power to delete a user. In nostr they cannot because they don't have the private key.

so I suggest lemmy add account migrations to mitigate the problem here and developers start developing and advocating solutions on nostr relays.

[–] lemming001@exploding-heads.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The technology is flawed. It gives a unjust amount of power to a few specific kinds of people.

So does Twitter, YouTube and any other centralized platform. At least with Lemmy it's not all concentrated in one place.

The only way for decentralized platform to truly give power to the users is if every user stands up their own instance, which is unrealistic.

[–] masterofballs@exploding-heads.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That would work yes but it's not the only solution. You need the user to have complete control of their account not the admin. Nostr works like this. So you can switch backends as easily as you want. The user exist as a private public key pair. You push and pull your content to and from multiple backends rather than to one backend ( that then pushes to other backends in the case of the fediverse. ).

In the fediverse the admin blocks and bans users. In nostr it's more like the users and admins have a more equal amount of power. The user can just listen to another instance.

[–] lemming001@exploding-heads.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not familiar with nostr, will look into it.

It's already better than mastodon at being twitter. Just needs better users. But it's atleast a year away from being able to replace Lemmy as a decentralized reddit alternative

[–] Sexypink@exploding-heads.com 2 points 2 years ago

exactly glad you can see this

[–] WeAreAllOne@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

And thus the meaning of anyone creating their own instance and make their own choices.