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[–] JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

When 52% of all trips made are less than 3 miles and less than 2% are over fifty miles, I don't think battery swapping is something any individual needs on a regular basis.

I could get on board if manufacturers were making $10,000 sub 50 mile vehicles that were compatible with a swap station so you could switch to a larger battery for the weekend. This would have to be a standard adopted by all however, and even before that, they'd have to make small cars. Which they won't, because we all know they are too busy making trucks and SUVs.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The whole "but what about the one journey a year you make that's outside the normal battery range?" is such an obvious fossil fuel industry boondoggle. It's up there with "but what about that one time you had to move a fridge?" when convincing people that a Ford F150 is a normal sized family car.

[–] JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It's almost like they knew in the sixties that they were in for some problems and have since been devising ever more complicated methods of disinforming the public in order to maintain their wealth. Does my head in sometimes.

[–] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I'm also thinking that way wrt to "we need more fast charging for EVs to work", I recall that plugging into a standard outlet will get you something like 5-8 km an hour, slow charging is totally acceptable for most people's usages. If you're in an area where block heaters are the norm you already have outlets at parking spots, if I could commute to work and plug it in, covers most commutes in a 8 hour day, even those of us who rarely go in and live 70k away I'd be getting most of my range back. For the amount I drive, level 1 charging is more than sufficient.

I think a compact with 2-300 k range would suit me just fine, would cover the odd longer trip and I'll totally grab a rental for anything longer, like I already do it I need to move a fridge.

[–] Gsus4@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

hear hear for small cars

PS: and walkable/cyclable cities

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I could get on board if manufacturers were making $10,000 sub 50 mile vehicles that were compatible with a swap station so you could switch to a larger battery for the weekend. This would have to be a standard adopted by all however, and even before that, they’d have to make small cars. Which they won’t, because we all know they are too busy making trucks and SUVs.

they make $10k ev's with 250 mile ranges that are for sale everywhere except the united states & canada. you can get them in australia or western europe for a 50-75%-ish tariff depending on which country you're in..

[–] JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Without knowing any examples of the vehicles that are for sale everywhere except, roughly, half the world, I can't really say much them. What I can say is that compared to the monstrous subsidies the oil and gas industry recieve, it does seem like those tariffs could be done away with. At least on the face of it, perhaps the issue is more intricate than that but I'm sure you grasp my meaning.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

for the united states, it's actually pretty simple; it's about stopping chinese control of the auto industry and protecting ford, gm & chrysler from having to innovate. here's a short video with a high level overview of it.

[–] fatalError@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Do people even need a car for a 3 miles trip? You can cover that on a bike in 15-20 mins at a chill pace... Also, 28% of trips are less than a mile? People can't walk a mile?

[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not speaking for other places, but America is not made for bikes or pedestrians. It is actively hostile to them in the best cases, and filled with explicit murderous intent in others.

Drivers will actually, actively, try to hit you for daring to take to the roads. And you have to take the road because we have sparse or missing pedestrian sidewalks.

I wouldn't wish biking 3 miles in most American cities on anyone used to a properly designed nation.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sadly, you are speaking for a great many places. I've cycled in most of the countries I've visited and it can be relatively dangerous.

If people want to see how to integrate a public transport network with a cycle path network, places like Netherlands and Denmark are leading the way.

Over here in the UK we have one of the most regressive attitudes to sustainable transport in Europe. Our trains don't work and cycling is barely tolerated.

[–] Specal@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

This is just anecdotal, but as someone who both drives and cycles in the UK, I'd say it's city dependent. I live in Leeds, go to uni in Leeds and work in Huddersfield. I cycle to uni, cycle to the train station and drive to work (when I can't get a train for whatever reason). Leeds is getting there, albeit slowly but it's getting alot better for cyclists. I like the electric bicycle scheme so I can cycle to the station and just leave the bike there. although it shouldn't be more expensive than getting a bus.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not everyone is child free and lives where it doesn’t rain

[–] GravityAce@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would be good for hauling large objects

[–] fatalError@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

I doubt the average person needs to do that daily over such a short distance.