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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 125 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Way too many people are absolutely appalled when I say I don’t care if some of my taxes go to keeping lazy people alive, inside, fed, and warm. I don’t care if someone is not working because they’re disabled, being educated, looking for a job, or just lazy, no one should live without basic human dignity.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean at this point scarcity is artificial

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For a few more years, at least, til they reinvent the real thing with climate apocalypse. Even if we turn around right now; incomprehensible numbers of people are going to die to this. Every day adds more.

We have built most of the machinery necessary to create a kind of heaven, and the fuckers we allow to have control of it are using everything we give them to create hell. Every breath they draw is a shame we all must carry.

[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

What else is labor good for if not making things better? I want to chase improvement, not profit.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FR FR, defrauding the system should be punished, not prevented, because right now preventative measures are very obviously doing jack shit in actual service to the public

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I’m not even talking about fraud. I think someone should still be entitled to a basic existence even if they don’t want to work. Like sure, don’t give them an Xbox Series X, but, give them food and heat. Maybe even an Xbox 360. What are those, like $30?

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My point is that the argument for not doing that derives from paranoia about the system being defrauded by the unscrupulous poor or whatever

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[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 1 year ago

Laziness is NOT an existential threat.

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

I will gladly accept if my taxes go to someone lazy if it means people that need it are getting the assistance they need. It'll happen anyways may as well help people who need it. That said I don't condone people scamming the system but it's either very high administration costs or people that need it don't get it usually. I went on assistance once, needed it short term, recall some dude talking about how it was his weekend spending money. Annoying to hear but I got the assistance I needed for that short time till I got a job. Always felt my attitude would fit better in some European or Scandinavian countries but I'm older now and don't speak anything other than English.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I agree so much. The vast majority of people wants to work to some degree anyway because they tend to feel useless and bored and go nuts. I see this in the huge number of refugees every day, they are going insane waiting for their documents to be approved so they can finally look for a job, be it just McDonald's. And those who don't - well so be it. I'd rather have someone unemployed and "lazy" than half assing some job they hate.

I'd love to have a system where everything mentioned in the meme is provided and everyone pays like 90% taxes. You get an apartment in an appropriate size not more than 15 minutes from your workplace. You get basic groceries provided and if you want truffles or crazy imported fruit you still have your 10% for that. Those 10% can go to whatever you like. You have housing. You have food. You have clothing. You have infrastructure and all your basic and medium needs are met. Save up for a trip somewhere, buy weird groceries, jewelry, go to a restaurant.

And there are just natural leaders and politicians and whatnot. I am sure that people will still want to have a "career" for money unrelated reasons. Imagine a manager who actually rocks at managing a team instead of an asshole who only does this job because it pays better. Likewise, and this hurts me so much when I see this on the playground, "low end jobs" would still be done because a lot of people love the idea of doing construction, waiting, cooking, cleaning. Garbage men are being looked up to by kids. Kids naturally love these kinds of jobs but somewhere along the way to adulthood the social stigma kicks in and the realisation that these jobs pay shit keeps them from going down these roads.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Minor nitpick: if it's snowing outside (and you can do so), then wear a fucking sweater inside! Heating a whole room by a few degrees when you could just not run around with a T-shirt is just so wasteful.

If you can't wear one, because you're disabled, then ignore my rant, please.

[–] azenyr@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Electricity companies hate this trick!

For real I dont understand why people forget that they can just wear thicker clothes even at home. And they complain the electricity is expensive

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[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Significantly lowering indoors temperatures can have detrimental effects on health, particularly for elderly people. Also, electricity should be sufficiently accessible and cheap that I don't need to freeze my butt off in my home in order to pay the bills.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Ah, to be young again and not have your hands and feed start freezing indoors when it starts getting chilly outside...

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

If only we could codify these 'rights' into some kind of a 'bill'...

[–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Everyone is talking about the politics, but there's that symbol in the bottom right that drew my attention. Is it some encoded data?

[–] The_Tired_Horizon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Wondering the same

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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly if we just tax the rich and start distributing government surplus we probably wouldn't even need to mandate most of this list.

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you could mandate the things you mentioned and the list.

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (26 children)

UBI, single payer, and free college for all. Yes we can, and absolutely should!

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[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TastehWaffleZ@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm a simple man. I see Eddie Izzard, I upvote

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[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Heck, if we could have all that for free, what's the point of working?

[–] nUbee@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd continue working if it meant I could afford more luxury in life.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I go to work and still can't afford the bare minimum of what's listed up there.

[–] hikaru755@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's the point, it shouldn't be like that

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago (11 children)
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[–] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

civlized countries are starting to realize it's cheaper to help people than keep them in poverty

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

You are promising a lot from an institution that is corrupt to its core and has a vested interest in denying you these things in order to extract the most out of you and hoping you die before society has to support you

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

So what if now hear me out we do none of that, and do number go up instead - you know - for the shareholders?

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

No! We can't do this! That's communism!

[–] PatFussy@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does owning adequate clothing even mean?

Here in California, I can go to a local shelter right now and get all of these things. Except adequate clothing because I don't know what that even means.

[–] evergreen@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'd assume adequate clothing means clothing that fits properly, and is appropriate for the climate and weather.

Sometimes I see homeless people wearing shoes that look way to big for them and I'm guessing it's because that was the closest they could find that fit on their feet so they just had to go with that. It's really not adequate though because it could be a tripping hazard.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

Additionally, facilities to wash clothing. This was one of the biggest struggles when I was homeless.

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

The fact that this is political is maddening.

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