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Is Victoria 3 a Marxist simulator? (www.reddit.com)
submitted 1 year ago by BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net to c/games@hexbear.net
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I prefers the term of Dialectical Materialism simulator.

It’s a fantasy game for closet commies, as HOI IV is for closet Nazis or Wehraboos in the end

I'm not bothering to read much of this(500 comments?), but after a few minutes quick glance its the usual fairly above average positive response as usual.

I wonder if it is because with the game becoming less popular again most of the mainstream is gone already.

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[–] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sorta. It's very materialist. It treats economics as the foundation of historical development. Interest groups attract people based primarily on material concerns. Classes hence struggle against each other (afaik without scripting) and create alliances with other classes and do revolutions. What its really missing imo is the environmental aspect to be truly 'marxist' tho (the 19th century is when concerns about "what happens when we run out of fertiliser/trees/fish/etc" started really growing as a result of unprecedented extractivism, and these are recurring concerns in Capital)

I wonder if it is because with the game becoming less popular again

A lotta the reason people keep talking about marxism in vicky3 is because the devs of vicky3 outright said they uesed some of Marx's economic theories because it makes for good game design.

Also something something reality has a marxist bias.

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes but I also mean more in general you'd certainly expect a lot more bashing of AES or "If Marx good why China bad?" kind of nonsense. The ability for redditors to stay on a topic and not use that to push a narrative these days, its rare. In fact literaly only a single comment mentions China in a neutral tone.

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

China has been decoupled in western minds from communism. The only communism for westerners to be found in China is "authoritarianism", whereas the comments there are talking about economy first and foremost.

[–] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

It’s really funny occasionally reading a post where someone is like “communism is OP in Victoria 3”. Oh, word?

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Marxist methodologies are commonly used in social sciences. When conservatives screech about Marxist propaganda in schools, I wonder how much of them are actually aware that yes, an entire academic field utilizes Marx’s theories on an everyday basis, or if it’s just vibes that coincidentally lined up with reality to a degree

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When I was first learning about Marxism, I noticed the ideas that many talking points spawned from. It does seem like a lot of these talking points were drafted by someone intimately familiar with Marxism who deliberately set out to distort them... which is extremely likely what actually happened.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

It's almost as if, instead of a footnote as most liberal academics would like to have you think, acceptance or rejection of Marxism (or aspects of it) is THE defining philosophy of the 20th and 21st century. It is almost as if every other modern social science was spawned from either trying to verify, disprove or create an alternative framework to avoid dealing with marxism.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Mark Millie testified that he was required to read Mao “Tse Tung” (not Zedong, as commonly referred in the west) during his military academy days (the context was that BLM is not a radical communist organization lol).

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

yes