This is very well thought out, I'm excited to try this.
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I'm always cautious when GNOME says they're reconcepting a process that we're happy with. I'm curious to see where this goes but unfortunately GNOME already lost me to KDE :(
I worry that the changes will forced.
Automatically do what people probably want, allow adjusting if needed
This is probably the thing that irks me the most about it. Most everything I open remembers where it was last time I opened it and just goes there. So I only have to decide once where and how big I want a window to be, generally. I don't want that to be contextually different depending on what else is open the vast majority of the time either, so I don't want to fight with my DE over where and how big a window should be.
I don't know, to each their own I suppose. Tons of people seems to like Gnome, so I don't want to hate on it... But it feels like they are making a DE for people that don't want to learn to use a computer, people that have mostly only used tablets and phones, or people that want the device to make the decisions for them... Which doesn't sound at all like the people that are switching to or already using Linux. I don't know, I have to assume I am just missing the magic something that Gnome provides to others.
To give what I hope is an apt analogy: Imagine you have desk where you do all your work. Every other DE handles this desk like a human would just putting stuff everywhere, moving and grabbing as needed.
This proposal and gnome in general take that desk and make it an auto-sorting desk so you can always grab what you need as fast as possible at all times without doing any organization yourself. Oftentimes I use a lot of different apps sporadically so having something that can auto-sort them is a dream come true.
The real magic of gnome is A: how pretty and polished it and the apps are and B (arguably more important): how little you have to fight it to get work done. I spend zero time thinking on gnome, I just hit the super key or three finger swipe and what I want is done. This proposal brings me even more of that. I’m like 2x more productive than my windows coworkers and most of that is due to gnome.
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again???
" Traditional tiling window managers solve the hidden window problem preventing windows from overlapping. While this works well in some cases, it falls short as a general replacement for stacked, floating windows. "
In 10 years of working with tiling WMs productively on a daily basis this has been an issue exactly 0 times. Even in a world that is tailored to non-tiling WMs they just perform better. Period.
I used i3wm for some time, configuring default placements based on window metadata and used it for work. after some time I realised I'm 40 years old and shit like this is a waste of time. I just want it to think for me
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In 10 years of working with tiling WMs productively on a daily basis this has been an issue exactly 0 times...
...for you.
Different people have different needs.
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Gnome devs have a nasty habit of "rethinking" things while ignoring tons of usability issues. I'd like them to stop rethinking things until they addressed those first...
You're right! All other developments should be stopped and all further innovations halted until separated workspaces on multiple monitors is addressed. As the most popular issue on Gitlab, this is clearly where the shoe presses.
Really bothers me when people waste their time creating new features of free software when existing software don't even meet the well-established universal criteria for perfection yet. What a waste.
I would love for this to be a thing, but as long as the WM stays EWMH compliant (like most full blown DEs right now), it won't happen. It's the one thing keeping me on true tiling WMs. I want virtual desktops to be tied to a monitor, not an X display.
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I have never understood why gnome seems to the go-to choice for default DE for so many distros
Because it just works and looks really good out of the box. Its the only DE with good, seamless fingerprint support for example
I didn't know that about fingerprint support, but my experience of it is it not working but getting in the way, and looking a bit pants compared to kde
Nahhh KDE is the one looking pants. In Gnome everything is very consistent and in KDE very much not so. Even something as simple as the toolbar looks ass.
Gnome is very intuitive too, I like the window overview and it just doesn't get in my way.
I was an i3wm user before going to Gnome. All the defaults just work, which saves me time
KDE is consistent, and much more configurable. But I mostly like the defaults barring where my toolbars go and switching to single click open for files. Will Gnome even allow me to have one main toolbar vertically on the left hand side of the screen, then two axillary auto-hiding short ones on the top and bottom right with programme shortcuts on one and the taskbar on the other?
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Its the only DE with good, seamless fingerprint support for example
What do you mean? I've never had a problem with it on KDE, Fedora at least
Old history - Qt had licensing concerns, gtk+ was guaranteed FOSS, so major distros shipped Gnome2 by default, and it stuck.
Yeah I know, i was there (and I always preferred KDE... migrated to it from Windowmaker of all things, I never could get the hang of Enlightenment, pretty though it was). But that was sorted literally decades ago!
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it has less information on screen at any given time than stock dwm so it looks clean an professional on screenshots
Hmmm, I guess that's plausible. Awful reason, but plausible
So does openbox /s
Mfw my bug report is open on the videos lol
This actually sounds like a really good idea! This could be big! I wanna try this for myself to get a feel for it.
as a crusty suckless dwm user if this works as advertised I'll switch
I like this idea, interested to see how they get on with it
Content aware tiling would be my preferred option I think. Tiling currently is a huge pain and doesn't work well.
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