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"There’s no posse and there’s no retinue and there’s no family," says Chris Hayes on Trump's arraignment. "The guy is alone. He is solo rolling with the lawyers who hope his checks clear."

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[–] Anissem@lemmy.ml 194 points 2 years ago (10 children)

At this point an indictment of Trump in the US has reached the same level as mass shootings and our dying planet. Which indictment, mass shooting or catastrophic environmental disaster are we talking about? I’m numb and have lost track amongst the desperate hopes for change.

[–] noahm@lemmy.world 55 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Exactly this. An arraignment of a former president has become a non-event. This is ideal for Trump, regardless of how MSNBC tries to spin it.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is definitely some of it. Although being in DC probably also helps to tone things down. DC is a pretty blue town outside of the federal buildings.

[–] cipherpunk@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I can picture a world where Trump’s fervent supporters would descend upon DC and cause at least a little turbulence.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Impossible. They’d never do that.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I believe you're referring to Antifa, Trump supporters would never ever never do anything like that.

[–] Caminsky@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What i find interesting is that somehow in developing countries justice was slow but eventually it arrived. I can think of places like Peru with Fujimori. Presidents got away for a while but eventually their own justice systems made them pay. I would be surprised if somehow justice didn't prevail in this situation with Trump.

[–] Anissem@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Justice has to prevail on some level if the US has any hope of protecting its democracy. This was a direct attack on the most fundamental parts of the country.

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[–] spacedancer@lemmy.world 115 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I imagine one of the prosecutors touches Trump's forehead for a few seconds, then says: "It's afraid!"

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago

I would like to know more.

[–] gornar@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] dancingsnail@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

The only good bug is a dead bug

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[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 104 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Most of the protesters aren't allowed near Washington DC government buildings due to their plea deals.

[–] RichardBonham@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago

Headline: "Trump rawdogs own arraignment!"

[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago
[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I also read he said he’d get his supporters to boycott elections.

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[–] QuincyPeck@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh no, the consequences of his own actions.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 14 points 2 years ago

Well, the GOP is the party of personal responsibility, right?

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 54 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

The fascists aren't stupid. They see the writing on the wall so they're moving on. Completely expected and even if Trump gets the death penalty the threat is by no means gone. Trump is a symptom, not the disease itself.

[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Beard has a great quote from her book SPQR

“If the assassination of Julius Caesar became a model for the effective removal of a tyrant, it was also a powerful reminder that getting rid of a tyrant did not necessarily dispose of tyranny.”

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

An analogy I like: If you have a toxic, dangerous plant in your garden, like the Gympie Gympie maybe, do you remove it by snipping off the leaf bud at the very top, or do you pull it out roots and all?

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[–] Klear@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The fascists aren’t stupid.

Citation needed

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Never assume the enemy is stupid. That's how you lose. If they were truly stupid they wouldn't have gotten this far and wouldn't even be a threat.

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[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

There's a distinction to be made between the fascists—the people in power pushing fascism—and the people voting for it. The latter are ignorant and stupid. The former are wringing the country dry for money and power.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is a major problem with the right wing, there is no principles or loyalty or anything. It’s not the major problem, it’s just one.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Additionally, a leader is just a tool used by a collective. The collective is in power, not the leader. Trump is no longer useful to them so he is being replaced, just like how a medieval king who fails to please his court of nobles is overthrown for a king that can.

Whether you can overthrow a leader simply depends on if you're part of the collective they serve or not. The reason the general public can't get rid of corrupt politicians or near universally hated people like Bezos or Elon, is because the collective that appoints them is not the public, but much like the medieval king, they only have to answer to a small group of modern day nobles (AKA the corporations, investors, and ultra rich in general).

It's the ruling class, not the individual ruler, that calls the shots. Always. Because a single person can never enforce their rule alone, it requires a group that collectively has sufficient power to enforce their collective rule.

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[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Absolutely. I was talking to a friend the other day and he suggested hiring a hitman through crowdfunding to shoot Macron. I told him, Macron is just a symptom. This hydra has a bunch of other heads ready to sprout, you'll get life for nothing

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[–] chairman@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Sad that he can't Grab Them By The Posse!!!

/s

[–] Smatt@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lol well done.

I couldn't believe when that came out and had no effect. Like when George W would just misspeak or Clinton admitted smoking weed in college or whatever, it always seemed like there were huge political consequences.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Remember Howard Dean lost the nomination because of the way he said "wooo"?

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He's still the frontrunner for the Republican nomination by a wide margin, there is no one who is showing like they will compete, even after this most recent indictment. Republicans will still rally behind him if he gets the nomination. Unless his trials are ahead of the election, which they likely aren't, nothing will change.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 years ago

Sad trombone lol

[–] WorldieBoi@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He's not alone. He still has millions of US voters on his side.

[–] keeb420@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago

keep donating to his reelection campaign. his lawyers appreciate it.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 years ago

He has to be pissed that Jarvanka took the 3 billion and booked without kicking up to the head czar

[–] vertigo3pc@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

You mean his pattern of betraying everyone somehow backfired?

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