KBIN is not implementing promised improvements in moderation, federation, and fighting spam. I have given up on this platform, and I can't recommend anyone to put any effort into it any longer.
Did you read the pinned welcome thread?
It is because we are egalitarian and pro-human that we are pro-men as well as pro-women. And because men are human and have human rights, men also deserve to have their rights advocated for. This community welcomes everyone who comes without hate or bigotry, to discuss men's issues.
I just did. And honestly it doesn't leave me hopeful for this space. Boosted comments in that thread overly generalise feminism and even place blame on feminism as a whole for issues that men face. Comments saying that feminism is an egalitarian movement are reduced.
Men's advocacy is important. There are perspectives on issues that men offer that other genders cannot, the same way there are perspectives that women can offer but other genders cannot. And not all feminist advocacy is created equal, some of it is not great. But the generalised blame game is precisely the sort of tribalistic thinking that so often leads men's advocacy spaces into misogyny, where women's advocacy is treated as an infringement on men.
honestly it doesn't leave me hopeful for this space
Then you need to adjust your perspective. Feminism is an ideology that has from the start been steeped in misandry. That is what we oppose. Sure, there are individual feminists who may promote actual equality. But show us the actual feminist thought leaders, academics, lobbyists and politicians who do. The majority in practice support sexist ideas and policies.
Comments saying that feminism is an egalitarian movement are reduced.
Because unfortunately, in practice feminism too often is not egalitarian, but paints men collectively as oppressors. We oppose that unhealthy, sexist view of men.
the sort of tribalistic thinking that so often leads men's advocacy spaces into misogyny, where women's advocacy is treated as an infringement on men.
We are pro women's advocacy. We simply oppose misandry as well as misogyny.
I agree. I scrolled through the comments (even responded to some) and this community is already heading towards where the feminist communities are heading: blaming the "other side" for everything.
It's not productive in any way and only serves to widen the gap between both communities.
That's great. Hopefully the moderators will uphold that view.
Despair and the longing for understanding, can easily be exploited to guide people onto a path of anger and hate.
Good luck with the community.
I think in order to actually attain that egalatarianism from a male perspective it requires a strict pro male POV on our side in spaces like this because the default in a lot of mainstream conversations about gender related issues and problems start from the framework of feminist theory invoking ideas like "male privilege, oppression" which prioritize the oppression and issues affecting women first and foremost and I don't think a framework that excuses phrases like "KillAllMen" should get a free pass in spaces like this.
To be blunt, I don't care if incels, red pillers, feminists or right wingers wanna comment in this space so long as they abide by the rules of civility and attack ideas and act in good faith when our ideas go against theirs and challenge them.
Please don't let Lemmy turn into the unthinking, authoritarian, hyper-left, anti-male circlejerk that reddit became. Please go spend your time lecturing female-centric instances on proper conduct if you're really concerned about it......or just stay on reddit.
I’m 90% sure this is a feminist and r/menslib raid on this community, to try and control discussion early and make sure it can’t grow
I agree, seems like a concern trolling.
and so early, too. Surprising.
Usually they wait until a community has more than 3 digits of members before bothering.
Something must have spooked them.
Nah, we are much more visible here. We appear in /all, which is the default setting when clicking on the kbin logo.
Many of us, including the mod, are from r/leftwingmaleadvocates. It is a left wing MRA sub on reddit. The moderator here does a good job of making sure there is no misogyny. From the title of this post, it seems like you're implying that right-wing and anti-feminists are misogynistic. They are not. That is a false assumption you're making.