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[–] Michal@discuss.tchncs.de 124 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Cycling is environmentally friendly, but let's not equate world championship to cycling as transport. The event itself must have a lot carbon footprint. Still, weird choice of event to protest, but I can see them doing what they can to get the publicity they need.

[–] Freeman@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago

I think its because of this: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/1915960

I guess big oil has nothing against cycling, as long as its the sport and not the mode of transport...

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The event itself must have a lot carbon footprint.

Same is true for almost every form of entertainment but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the truly big polluters.

[–] nal@lib.lgbt 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sources of entertainment have - by definition - more viewers and attention than Exxon's office building.

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[–] pooperNickel@lemm.ee 111 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And if they protested people commuting into a city, a huge source of global emissions, they'd be criticized for that too. People always manage to label protests as the wrong time/place. What they really mean is "protest is fine as long as no one, especially me, is asked to actually pay attention to it."

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (4 children)

And if they protested people commuting into a city, a huge source of global emissions, they’d be criticized for that too.

May, just maybe, those aren't the only two choices. Maybe they could also protest in front of offices of politicians and actually reach the people who can change anything.

[–] l0v9ZU5Z@feddit.de 22 points 2 years ago

Yes, why has no one tried that before, 😂

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And maybe, just maybe, the protesters should have a goal of not only getting their message out but winning people over to their side. Maybe a goal of gaining support.

I don’t think this strategy of “annoy as many people as you can” will succeed in gaining any positive attention

[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

I don’t think this strategy of “annoy as many people as you can” will succeed in gaining any positive attention

It's literally the only strategy that has ever worked before, other than outright violence.

After all, who gives a shit about "positive attention" for its own sake? What matters is actually effecting change, and that does not require people to like you.

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[–] Thundernerd@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

100%. The moment you point out that this isn’t the way to go you’re instantly seen as the bad one, that you don’t want to be inconvenienced. It’s so dumb.

[–] explodes@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

People have done that but the publicity isn't nearly as large as a globally televised event.

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[–] Skyrocket0006@feddit.nl 84 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is mildly infuriating but ruining the climate is very infuriating. So I understand the protesting and I hope we're gonna see a good second half of the race.

[–] supercheesecake@aussie.zone 71 points 2 years ago (8 children)

When you’ve done everything that’s reasonable, and no one in power listens, so have to become unreasonable. And people say, why can’t you just be reasonable?! 😕

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[–] zer0@thelemmy.club 61 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What's mildly infuriating is that you are complaining about these protesters without providing any details on the protest.

[–] JohnOliver@feddit.dk 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] zer0@thelemmy.club 44 points 2 years ago (5 children)

https://nitter.net/Thisis_Rigged/status/1688142514421661696#m

"Rebecca, 28, “as a trans woman I’ve been told I’m not welcome on the cycling track by UCI, at the same time they allow a petrochemical company to field a team showing they have no real care for people. I take to the track to point out this hypocrisy and stand for a better future”"

[–] Damage@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Shell produces, among other things, resins used so much in modern bicycles' carbon fiber

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Can't recycle them either. You could potentially downcycle carbon fibers but I'm pretty sure in most places they'll just end up in the incinerator, or somewhere in nature.

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[–] Jinfox@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't know about this Cycling competition, but the Tour de france thing has more helper cars, truck, cameraman motorcycle. Entire mobile village with caravan, trucks etc. Thats a lot of ecological impact even if indeed Cycling is one of the greenest transportation method.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Yeah a big competitive bike race with corporate sponsors and television cameras has little to do with cycling as a green method of transportation. It’s a bigass corporate gangbang and a fair target for disruption. Only the most lazy, dense observer would look at the Tour de France and think it was there to promote environmentalism.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

And this makes us talk about the fact that cycling is one of the most environmentally friendly alternatives to fuel driven personal transportation.

[–] forpeterssake@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Yeah, there's a big difference between pro cycling and biking to get around. The pro peloton isn't remotely sustainable—lots of international travel, transfers of team cars, team buses, helicopters, signal relay planes, etc. I suppose no pro sport is green. But biking for transport is one of the most efficient and sustainable.

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[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seems the protest was effective then

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[–] dimspace@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Cycling might be.

Cycling the sport isn't. The sheer volume of support cars, media cars, motorbikes at every race is utter insanity.

That's before we get into the sponsorship from oil and chemical companies, and at least two sportwashing teams

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[–] appel@whiskers.bim.boats 38 points 2 years ago (11 children)

I don't know the ideologies of the protestors, but I do agree with protesting against "big cycling". Cycling around on a trusty steel bike which you can repair yourself is environmentally friendly. Buying a new carbon fiber bike every few years because it is 2% more aero than the last is not. Instead of standardized parts, the cycling industry wants you to buy cheap ones that break fast, and can only be replaced with their specific parts. They sell this to you by including some upgrades in chains, cassettes etc. The cycling industry is the same as any other industry, it exists to make profits. Truly sustainable things do not come from making profits.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I've commuted to work by bicycle maybe 2 decades out of my career of almost 3 decades, NEVER with any bicyle worth more than 200 EUR (during my time in The Netherlands I always got second hand bicycles ... well, more likely 4th or 5h hand) and you clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

You're talking about, maybe, the consumer high-end "recreative" cycling, the kind that's sold to fad-following consumers who will at most pull out the bicycle on a weekend day, put on a "Tour de France" disguise (complete with "sponsor" sticks) and go cycle to be seen cycling.

In countries were people actually cycle for utility purposes those are a tiny fraction of people and the "cycling industry" is something else altogether than what you describe. Normal people use normal bicycles which are not too expensive, especially because you really don't want to park a 1000+ EUR on the street, not if you want to come back and still find all of it there.

Further, even at the high-end, the actual pros know how to fix their own bicycles and know the value of standardized components: it's really only the "two-wheel fashionistas" that would go for overpriced bicycles with non-standard elements.

Going after cycling because of a few idiots (and there are idiots in every human endeavour) and calling it pro-Ecology is the pinnacle of stupidity and doing the work of the enemy.

[–] appel@whiskers.bim.boats 5 points 2 years ago

I am indeed talking about consumer high-end cycling, and I see it poisoning peoples minds in my city with their marketing that says to be eco-friendly and cycle to work you have to buy a brand new bike for £1000. I am arguing about the case in my city and the direction I don't want to see cycling in general take. I agree with you that in many places, cycling is much better, the Netherlands is a great example. I am not going after cycling as a whole, just the rich directors of Shimano, SRAM, Trek, Specialized, etc. that have greenwashed expensive high-end cycling and make people believe that they need the latest stuff. I am not saying that the industry is already in a bad place, just that it could head that way.

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[–] mtcerio@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Few "big bicycling" inspires a lot of "small bicycling"

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[–] YaksDC@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago
[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 15 points 2 years ago (9 children)

So what is your plan instead?

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[–] salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

British Cycling is sponsored by oil company Shell.

Reuters

British Cycling is the Host partner of the championship, according to the official website of the championship (linked to at the UCI website, "Organizer website" section), and its partner is Shell UK (announcement).

Someone pointed it out in the comments before, but it's neatly summarized now 😝

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (9 children)

My guess is that those "protesters" are paid and organized by some oil industry people (maybe without the activists glued to the floor knowing about this), just to give real climate activists a bad image. I've talked to a real climate activist recently, and she was furious about those "gullible idiots".

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[–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago

That's not the point though is it, smartass?

[–] Ashiette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago

Cycling races are very polluting. Not because of the bikes but because of everything besides the bikes (cars, motocycles, cameras, plastic goodies, ...)

[–] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I just assume these dumb protest ideas are actors paid by oil

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Maybe bc cycling fans will listen

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