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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 171 points 2 years ago (12 children)

We can’t let stopping climate change get in the way of capitalism!

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 131 points 2 years ago (26 children)

These go right against our goals to increase use of solar and EVs. ☹️

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 84 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Really important for world emissions for the US specifically to transition to EVs too, considering it has the highest per capita road emissions in the world.

[–] gramathy@lemmy.ml 48 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Most of that is because we truck everything and trains only get used for extreme bulk like coal

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 years ago

We can thank the US oil and auto industries (the same ones dictating these green energy tariffs to their political puppets), for that too.

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[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 96 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That's not how you ensure America leads the world in them. That's how you ensure corps feel safe not doing shit to innovate anymore. This is just another form of a bailout.

[–] whereisk@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Didn't they do the same for Japanese goods back in the day? Not sure it helped the American automotive industry.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 89 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Wow, does that mean we are ramping up domestic production for these? No? Oh...

[–] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago

be funny if China put an export tariff on the production materials

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[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 87 points 2 years ago (4 children)

these actions already admit defeat

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[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 81 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Interesting word choice. China wants to "dominate", the US wants to "lead".

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[–] monobot@lemmy.ml 71 points 2 years ago (5 children)

The rest of the world will get cheaper solar panels and EVs, that's quite nice.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Also medical supplies, including masks, because COVID is Joever.

Edit to add: There is necessarily a lag between tariff imposition and indigenous production, and we’re left to fill that gap with our own wallets individually. Worse, the prices will almost definitely never come back down as they might in theory, because this is late-stage capitalism.

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[–] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 57 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You want Amerikkka to lead maybe subsidize EVs as well?

Why can't we all win? (Ide rather bus/rail and walkable cities)

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The US government does subsidize EVs (it's the only reason Tesla can exist, for instance), the problem is that all their subsidies just get used for stock buybacks. Why would a privately-owned company actually create more factories? That's just not profitable.

The most rational system.

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[–] robinnn@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

China is unfairly SUBSIDIZING green energy products. They must be stopped or DEMOCRACY will fall.

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but just to be safe:

America massively subsidizes too... the difference between China and America is when China subsidizes an industry, prices for the good go down, and their market share expands. When America subsidizes an industry, prices go up and board members get richer.

The American business owners are salty that China is beating them at capitalism. And Biden has a strong track record of oppressing the people and standing up for the tyrants.

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[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Well, we have targeted a few industries, particularly clean energy, electric vehicles, batteries, renewables, where we’re not trying to dominate the globe and be the only country in the world that supplies these goods.

Janet Yellen

I'm determined to ensure that america leads the world in them

Joe Biden

make up your mind ghouls

[–] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is basically a self imposed embargo that will ensure that we are outside observers to a world that is rapidly transitioning to renewable energy.

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

It will also be part of financial handouts to underperforming US tech companies

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[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (5 children)

America can't compete with China and American corps cried for daddy.

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[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 years ago (3 children)

For every voter who wants a habitable planet, a cheap electric car, or to catch covid less we lose, we're gonna pick up two moderate republicans!

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Swiggity swooty the oil lobby is coming for your booty

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[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 42 points 2 years ago

Repeatedly stomping on my collection of rakes to own the commies

[–] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

Their "determined to dominate"

Our "determined to ensure we lead the world"

agony

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

remember when dems made fun of trump for "chi-na" stuff? good times yea

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 years ago

See, they were making fun of him saying Chai-nuh, and the way he was pursuing hostilities, not the hostilities themselves.

Same deal with the Iraq War until like 2006. Kerry's pitch was not that it was bad and should be ended but that it was being run incompetently.

Or ask any Blue Maga what specific immigration reforms they want. They want the same thing, they just have minor disagreements on how to get there or even just aesthetics.

[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago

We should just be buying solar panels as cheap as we can, as fast we can who gives a fuck if they "dominate" the net positive is worth it

[–] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What a bell-end. Maybe instead of tariffs the US should begin vesting in education, job training, and research into these sectors so it can compete instead of trying to hobble the competition in the domestic market. This is just protectionism by a different name

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[–] rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 years ago

This is the trumpiest shit ever.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Steel I get. That's an environmental issue since US creation is way more carbon friendly. However the rest makes no sense without an announcement in domestic investment that is pulled from currently used non-environmental budgets.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

hell yea FUCK the environment lmao

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No one in the US will dive into major production of such things without a more guaranteed long term tariff. Not something that may go away within 5 years time. Also, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell the US will be a world leader in solar production. We might dominate the US market.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

If hes going to do that he should light a fire under the domestics asses to get our own evs up to snuff. And market competitive. None of that whining how it cannot be done either

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[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Free market

Democracy

Freedom of choice

Innovation

Competition

Ebil authoritariariariarian cheyna

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[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

What a fucking joke. Why are we expected to take these people seriously? Communism will win, Death to America.

[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's ok.. the consumer will ultimately pay that tariff.

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[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 20 points 2 years ago (10 children)

This dude really does not want to get reelected again. I hate that he's the only choice. What a piece of shit.

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