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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago (21 children)

This won't end well...

Not because of Linux or Windows, but because India's government is one of the most corrupt in the world, and everyone is just going to get bribed into saying "this is great" and it'll get implemented without any flaws being addressed

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[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 39 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The article says this will be “based on Ubuntu” but it will probably actually just be Ubuntu with custom defaults, pre-installed software, and maybe repositories.

This just makes sense in my view. The cost relative to the number of machines they must deploy will be miniscule. If they do not mess with the core system too much, they can outsource almost all the admin and expertise to Canonical in terms of security and packaging. People saying this will blow up. Why? It does not sound like they are really creating a full distro from scratch. Is Ubuntu not viable?

In terms of why crating a custom version instead of just using actual Ubuntu. Again, the cost of customizing a distro can be dramatically less than making even simple configurations on every system after the fact. They can standardize what the desktop will look like and set key defaults. They can choose what applications are installed by default. They can remove applications from the repository that they do not want to be installed. The can ensure that localization is done well, etc.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago

I remember when Ubuntu was just Debian with custom defaults, pre-installed software, and their own repositories. Basically what every new distro is in the beginning.

And yeah creating dpkg packages isn't really all that difficult. Don't know why people are saying this will be a disaster. There's a lot of technically proficient people in India that could handle doing QA, and putting a dpkg on a server that gets automatically picked up by all the various systems that need it. Hell, they could develop their own applications and package them up and distribute them around much easier on a Linux system than a Windows system.

[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As an Indian... You mean we can outsource stuff to others? :D

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[–] giacomo@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"home grown" Ubuntu spin, got it

Chalega, it's a step in the right direction

[–] andruid@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 years ago

Very cool! Always good to see more countries get closer to embracing FOSS. Really helps with the collaborative benefits that FOSS can have, plus allows for organizations to have more control in their digital destinies instead of simply being customers.

Hope the best for the project!

[–] jackpot@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] ZeroXHunter@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Well, it was the headline in a National newspaper and I just quoted it.

[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago

'home-grown' like that Miley Cyrus distro.

[–] laylawashere44@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is 100% a nationalism thing. They want to be able to say we make our own operating system. That's it. It's going to be a disaster when they inevitably fuck up because they are doing g it for the wrong reasons.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How is controlling the package repo for your gov a bad thing?

[–] laylawashere44@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because they aren't doing it to control the package repo, they are doing it to score nationalism points.

[–] b1tstremist0@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Guess what, nationalism and security go together for all the right reasons.

[–] kzhe@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Finally something done right by India (just my rough impression, I remember them like banning VLC and then encrypted apps, idk exactly what they do.)

[–] gunpachi@lemmings.world 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah, they banned encrypted apps thinking that only terrorists require encrypted messaging.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago

I think they are just stupid lol

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[–] taanegl@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Another fríggin' Ubuntu distro. Can't somebody just commit to Debian instead... please?

Meanwhile, in NixOS land: Image

[–] Laser@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

I don't think NixOS "hates" Docker, in fact Nix has its own tools to build Docker images. There are some examples at https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/build-support/docker/examples.nix

[–] bahmanm@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Hopefully they pull it off for real and it will not get bogged down by bureaucracy and red tapes.

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[–] super_user_do@feddit.it 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] cooopsspace 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're not that based, they're banning encryption

[–] super_user_do@feddit.it 2 points 2 years ago

Not based anymore 😔👊

[–] achayanzz@kerala.party 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

A lot of schools and colleges in Kerala (Indian State) use Ubuntu. Kids are taught how to use software like GIMP and Audacity in schools. It has become part of the syllabus in public schools.

12 th standard students have to do maths practical in GeoGebra.

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[–] TheMadnessKing@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

My main concern is support and delay b/w security patches the OS will introduce. I'm making a wild guess, but I think they should have lot older hardware devices and from performance pov, they should benefit given latest Windows are not that great on older devices and older win versions have already reached EOL.

If they do get it right, they probably need to retrain their staff to be able to use other apps like Libre Office and more.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Interesting because to airlines, using a Linux-based RTOS is a major security issue to the point where most airlines use homegrown RTOS solutions. But this isn't the first national government switching to Linux for operations I'd argue are equally if not much more sensitive.

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[–] kitonthenet@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Can they do it? Yes. Can they do it with a reasonable level of support for many different desktop hardware so it’s cheap to implement? Probably, though it won’t be as comprehensive as windows. Can they get a 1:1 replacement for windows that has the same level of security as windows? No, because many national governments collaborate on windows security. But! They’ll be safe-ish from NSA back doors in windows (if you think there are any)

[–] Spudwart@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The likelihood that windows doesn’t have a back door for the US government is irrelevant.

No windows user can guarantee every part of their OS is clean.

Linux users have the advantage of Open Source.

If you run Linux, you can audit the code. Can’t do that for windows.

[–] kitonthenet@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] sadreality@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nice... So anyone with any dignity won't tolerate being spied on. Only cattle and sheep get subjected to this abuse. Checks out.

Switched to Linux due to being treated like cattle by windows.

[–] kitonthenet@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Ok! I don’t care, that has nothing to do with this post!

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[–] andruid@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Many national governments collaborate on Linux security as well.

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Haven't there been issues with other governments maintaining their own distribution? Why not just maintain a repo thats added with a script or something.

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