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[–] RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world 95 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I had to check if this article was from The Onion

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[–] biribiri11@lemmy.ml 56 points 11 months ago

Can’t believe he figured it out. What a shame. Guess we’ll have to go provoke another country to invade our fellow flourishing independent democracies, who play a key role in the world’s trade.

Seriously though, I hope he’s just giving himself an easy out here. There’s always too much war going on.

[–] SpacePirate@lemmy.ml 54 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I thought Taiwan was China? Hard to invade yourself, eh, Xi?

[–] bumpusoot@hexbear.net 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

To be honest, it's almost certainly reworded or poorly translated from whatever he originally said.

[–] WashedAnus@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago

They sure are a contentious bunch.

[–] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why are you defending the rump state of a fascist dictatorship?

I hope the "Republic of China" can someday be peacefully dissolved and the province of Taipei reunited under the mainland government.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ugh, of course it was Blackburn

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

lifetime bitch

[–] Railison@aussie.zone 5 points 11 months ago

‘Renegade breakaway province’

[–] yokonzo@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago

Uh ... Yeah you got us... All a trick, darn guess our dastardly plan failed and you won't invade Taiwan now

[–] filoria@lemmy.ml 35 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

First link: Members of A Company, so you're looking at 100 people maximum and likely less. Not exactly a large fighting force.

Second link: There's nothing "quiet" about it. It's been blaring on Western News non-stop for about 6 years now. The US has been completely open about weapons sales and training schedules.

Third link: We gave President Tsai Ing-Wen a medal. Okay, and?

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The NED is notorious for basically being a CIA cut-out

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 22 points 11 months ago

It’s amazing that this gets any downvotes at all.

Washington Post 1991: Innocence Abroad: the New World of Spyless Coups

"A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA," agrees [NED cofounder Allen] Weinstein.

New York Times, 1997: Political Meddling by Outsiders: Not New for U.S.

The National Endowment for Democracy, created 15 years ago to do in the open what the Central Intelligence Agency has done surreptitiously for decades, spends $30 million a year to support things like political parties, labor unions, dissident movements and the news media in dozens of countries, including China.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

not a fighting force

Genuine question, I know tone is hard to read online but I promise I'm not trying to be snarky: do you know the role that special forces in general and green berets in particular play in US proxy wars? They don't fight, they raise and train local militias how to do insurgency and kill political enemies. Anytime green berets are in a country next door to an enemy of the US empire, it's because they're training the next ARVN, Taliban or Azov Battalion.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

Not exactly a large fighting force

they're not there to hold down a trench

[–] Chump@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

1st link: title of article

2nd link: title of article

3rd link: title of article

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Why would China invade itself?

[–] Stitch0815@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Fuck off

Taiwan is independent and will always stay that way

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Fuck off

No you; the argument was never that Taiwan is independent, even our government has never acknowledged that; only utter imbeciles ever thought that was the case.

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The KMT doesn't represent Taiwan. Tsai, obviously the former president, has already said that Taiwan is already independent and doesn't need to "declare independence". China's position is 100% LARP. Their claim is that they already own Taiwan, which makes no sense at all.

There are basically ZERO pundits anywhere that know the history of Taiwan. They either parrot same NAFO-type propaganda or CPC propaganda -- which is basically that Taiwan is an "inalienable part of China", which is simply historically false. Throughout most of Chinese history none of the leaders gave two shits about the island of Taiwan until it became part of an important trade route. THEN the Qing dynasty started to administer very very small parts of it. They were later forced to give up their rule on those parts of Taiwan to imperial Japan for many reasons (yes, imperial Japan is bad). Afterwards, there still wasn't much of a concern for taking Taiwan, either from the CPC nor the KMT. It only started happening after KMT lost their war and started claiming Taiwan was theirs and planning their escape plan. Shortly afterwards, the CPC said Taiwan was there's as well.

In the bigger picture, aboriginal Taiwanese have arrived at Taiwan in various periods, starting around 6000 years ago. The vast majority of "Chinese" that came to Taiwan came starting around the 1600's due to the Dutch East Indian company encouraging immigration from China and later on the Qing dynasty encouraged immigration as well (1800's). CPC propaganda makes it seem like "Chinese" presence in Taiwan all came from the KMT fleeing to Taiwan or something. The KMT and all of their descendants only make up less than ONE FIFTH of the population of Taiwan.

Anyway I skipped over a lot of history including Dutch atrocities in Taiwan, a Ming loyalist dispelling the Dutch, and the Spanish colonization of (small parts) of Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Formosa
Taiwanese identity is also very important and unlike what the CPC says, it's not about being "anti-Chinese" or "not Chinese", which makes no sense.

Also, what does being loyal to "China" actually mean? The Ming dynasty had conflicts with the Qing dynasty, which one was more Chinese? Is the CPC responsible for everything bad previous dynasties did? Should the CPC take responsibility for KMT atrocities?? If no, why not? Do they own all the land that previous dynasties have owned? Does the CPC own all land that Chinese people live on? (Chinese nationalists actually use the ethnostate argument as a reason as to why the CPC should own Taiwan).

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Taiwan is China, even the separatist regime in Taipei agrees on that.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Bro, you literally called them separatists lol

[–] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How many countries recognize Taiwan again?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why would it need to be more than one?

And it's 12, counting the Vatican.

[–] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is the US among it? And why are they choosing to arm Taiwan instead? Do you think the US would be chill if another country decided to arm Hawaii,Puerto Rico, Alaska,.. ?

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

FYI the weapons are basically shit (there's agreement among Taiwanese and Chinese nationalists) and can't be used for force projection at all. In Taiwan purchasing of these arms is considered paying protection money to the mafia. In the US it's spun as helping Taiwan protect itself against China. In China it's spun as the US interfering with China's "internal affairs" since they're larping as owning Taiwan.

I do agree that the US is trying to bait China into attacking Taiwan though. The special forces in Kinmen to train kids (they're probably <23 years old) to pilot microdrones? LMAO. I'm not sure if CIA intelligence (as opposed to operations) even know the actual reason of why China wants to claim Taiwan. They may believe in their own propaganda.

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The KMT doesn't represent Taiwan. The CPC should have finished them off/sent them to jail. Mao was for Taiwanese independene from it's Japanese colonizers.

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[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

So the southern US is its own independent country right? The losing side of civil wars gets to keep "their" land? (Actually this is being too charitable to Taiwan, they actually invaded land and called it theirs)

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[–] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

deng-salute

Carrying on the legacy of Deng Xiaoping deng-cowboy

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

The same Xi that violates Taiwan's airspace continuously. That increases the airspace violations whenever Taiwan does something that he doesn't like, like democratically electing pro-independence politicians or when US politicians visit Taiwan.

Yeah sure Xi, the only reason you threaten Taiwan's democracy is because the US tricked you into it.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Chinese leader Xi Jinping has accused the US of trying to trick China into invading Taiwan, but he said it won't take the bait, the Financial Times reported, citing people familiar with the matter.

According to the FT, Xi made the accusation during a meeting with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen in April last year.

Xi has issued the same warning to officials in his own country, one source told the FT, but this would be the first time he made the claim to a foreign leader, the outlet said.

But the mood in Washington, DC, seems to be shifting, with Congress showing itself more "overtly supportive of Taiwan than only a few years ago," Graeme Thomson, an analyst with the Eurasia Group, told BI in November.

Last month, a US congressional delegation met with senior Taiwanese officials to discuss US-Taiwan relations, a few days after China conducted military drills around the island.

During a meeting in April, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi warned US Secretary of State Antony Blinken not to cross China's "red lines" on sovereignty, security, and development interests.


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[–] Crumbgrabber@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

XI is way too smart to push deep into the nether regions of Taiwan, especially after being briefed by Wang.

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