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[–] ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago

I'm glad to have moved from a country where taxes and (high) expected tips are on top of the price, to a country where tax is included in the price and tips are usually not expected. It makes a surprising difference in affordability when you can actually buy a €5 item with €5.

As soon as companies started asking for tips at self check-out, it became obvious that it's just a way of trying to underpay their staff and shift that responsibility on the customer.

[–] TimTheEnchanter@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Related, but has anyone else noticed the “default” tip amounts (on registers and such) are higher now, too? In the past I would see 15-18-20% as kind of the standard options, and now I don’t seem to see anything lower than 20% on those preset options. I saw one the other day that had 35% as a default option.

[–] Swallowtail@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I forget if there's a term for it but I think it's intentional because it raises the expectations for what people think the minimum acceptable tip is.

[–] TimTheEnchanter@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Is it price anchoring maybe? Seems like I knew the term for it and can’t remember it now, ha ha!

[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago

You might be thinking of anchoring. Some restaurants have a couple of outrageously expensive wines on top of the menu for that reason - everything else looks cheaper in comparison, since the first thing you saw is "anchored" in your mind and used as a point of reference.

[–] Killer_Tree@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, it's ridiculous, but that's why other -> 0% is always a valid option. I'll tip if I'm paying after eating a meal or if someone delivered some food to me, otherwise miss me with that shit.

[–] emi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

Here is a crazy idea, Pay Workers A Livable Wage and price goods accordingly... that is the easiest step forward as I would be tempted to ask for more because profits are unpaid wages.

[–] idealium@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

A large portion of you in the replies don't feel like they should be obligated to tip because they feel it's up to the employer to properly compensate their workers, and yet they feel comfortable enjoying the product of these exploited workers' labor. My question to all of you is, if you care about worker exploitation, why don't you, the consumer, speak out against this practice directly? Call employers out, speak to the workers, see what you can do to help them organize. If you can't be bothered to do any of that, consider not dog-piling on the worker for the faults of their employer by deciding not to tip and making it harder for workers to organize. It seems to me that by not tipping, you're just helping employers and not workers.

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's called voting. Most people do that.

Tip culture is an obvious moral blackmail. While being against it I tend to go with it in countries that struggle moving past slavery.

To a certain extent if everybody stopped tipping things would change probably faster than by any political mean anyway.

[–] idealium@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If absolutely everybody stopped tipping in America this instant maybe something would change. But that's not going to happen, just as voting tipping away won't happen. It's incredibly easy to sway people who have no opinion on the matter (more than you'd think) to believe that tips are good and necessary and actually beneficial to the worker. And the people/entities most motivated to argue this (employers) happen to have the money to throw into shifting public thought on the matter. No, the only real solution is worker organization, and the only way workers can organize is if they have the resources (time, energy, money) to do so, also external support can help.

[–] ProfessorZhu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I didn't expect one of the things to carry over from reddit is the rabid anti tipping culture and abunch of people making up shit to justify their preferences.

I now have a job that gets tips, if someone doesn't tip IDC, the overall tips are good and I don't know the story of the person not tipping. When I give a funny look is when someone hits the no tip button and looks up at me like they're waiting for some kind of response.

I don't have time to care about your financial state, you all are just making up shit in your heads to justify shit to yourselves

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