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Voters think Trump is a criminal, Biden is too old and DeSantis is a fascist: poll
(www.independent.co.uk)
I'll take old over criminal or fascist.
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Especially an old man just restored a chunk of the social safety net. No, it's not enough yet, but Republicans are making sure of that.
The main fear with an old person is the instability it could cause if they grew ill. But the other two options are guaranteed instability. So I think I'll take my chances.
Also keep in mind that trump is basically as old as Biden.
And shows far more signs of being old. (The memory recall test thingy is not something given to someone of obviously sound mind,)
Yeah. Strong "one of those things is not like the others" energy to this headline, lol.
Yep!
I would too, but like, could not limit it to just those three choices please?
It’s the illusion of choice, like one may give a toddler: would you like to have bacon or sausage with your breakfast? It’s the same product, different flavor.
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The thing about an old president is that even if he grows senile, there's the entire rest of their administration that generally have the same goals in mind as them.
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I feel that it should be pointed out that Trump is also a fascist.
And old
He's the total package! Like, the kind of package you'd set on fire and leave on a neighbor's porch.
It's the state of politics that the wealthy elite owners of the country absolutely enjoy
Voters no longer vote for who they want
They vote for the best of the worst that is given to them
They vote for the best of the worst that is given to them
Nothing new about that.
I was a lot less worried about Mitt Romney.
Not even best. Many people vote purely against the thing they don't want, rather than voting for the thing they do want.
This is how the conservative base has been voting for decades.
And low information, single (wedge) issue voters. So many liberals voted against abortion.
There has not been a time for ripe in modern times for a strong 3rd party candidate. To bad the whole system is rigged against it.
3rd party, on a national scale, is guaranteed to fail in fptp. The only one who wins in fptp is the least hated (of 2) candidate. 3rd party votes just suck votes that could be voted against that most hated candidate
This isn't inherently a failure of first past the post, this is a failure of human psychology.
No, it's definitely a FPTP failure. If you have progressive third party candidate who mostly attracts voters who would otherwise have voted Democrat, it splits the vote. Even if the majority of people voted for either the third party or the Democrat candidate (let's say 30% each), the Republican candidate would get win even with 60% of people not wanting them.
I suspect you're thinking of people being afraid to vote third party and thus dooming the third party to lose, but the fallacy of that is assuming that everyone would genuinely vote for the third party over other candidates, which isn't the case. Articles like the one we're commenting on are only pointing out the most common belief.
First past the post voting systems prevent viable third parties because of human psychology. Why are we pretending to argue about how we phrase this?
If everyone do preferred a third party candidate actually voted third party, that would change. That’s just another establishment talking point.
That time was 2016, which is why gary johnson got so many votes.
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Fascist, criminal, or geezer.
Ngl I know which one I’m picking (the old fart).
Sound about right.
Totally normal "democracy", working very well. 🙃
sample size of 1000 though. you'd think they'd be able to find tens of thousands of people
It's a pretty typical size for political polls.
A sample size of 1000 means that the results are very likely within 3% of the entire population.
If you instead survey 10,000 people, your results will very likely be within 1% of the entire population.
It's diminishing returns. For most pollsters, an extra 2% accuracy is not worth ten times the effort.
It's similar to coin flip math. Getting 6+ heads on 10 flips is not hard. Getting 60+ heads on 100 flips is way harder. Getting 600+ heads on 1000 flips? No way. In fact, even getting 530+ heads on 1000 flips is very unlikely
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DeSantis won Florida's 2022 gubernatorial election with 60% of the vote. If somehow Trump isn't able to run for the presidency it's a landslide victory for DeSantis v Biden.
DeSantis' faltering popularity in the GOP race shows that whatever is popular in Florida isn't necessarily popular everywhere else. I don't think it's a guarantee Biden loses to DeSantis, if it comes to that.
There are, in fact, other states besides Florida.
It's impossible to know that for sure.
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At this point, I'd be in favor of just asking 9 first-graders what their favorite single digit number is, and granting the position of POTUS to whoever's social security number matches the one they generated.
But, given our current options I'd take a clueless old man over a lucid fascist in a fuckin' heart beat. How is this really being presented as a dilemma? Would you rather have your house a bit too chili, or burn the whole thing down? Sure I don't like either option, but deciding which one's better kinda plays out like those cheesy banking commercials.
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