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I remember almost everyone use facebook at a time, even chinese use facebook before it was walled off in china. But then everyone got angry because facebook got worse and anti-user and some deleted account. Yet, facebook is still kicking
In a nutshell, the communities move on to a more culturally and technologically suitable perform
Life is short, it is wise fast track to Acceptance for five stages of grief. The best punishment for Reddit admins is to be forgotten
There’s people who even think Reddit is right.
Because they think Reddit is Facebook.
This is just digg.com evac to reddit.com 13? years ago.
Step 1: Site thinks it owns content users created and made site what it is.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
13 is the age of the account I deleted and I was in the Digg exodus, so yeah.
Same here. Went from Digg to Reddit, now to the Fediverse.
It will take time for the muscle memory to go away. I still type in "reddit" in the address bar, and probably will for some time to come.
The overwhelming majority of Redditors probably don't really know what the actual issue is, and on the surface, Reddit charging for an API that they've allowed free access to for years probably seems logical. Plus, people are creatures of habit, they'd rather go back to the same website they've been visiting, with the community that they already know, than try to figure out what the heck a Lemmy is.
Do you think there would be use in having a site like upstract.com (the new popurls) that would aggregate the RSS feeds from all Lemmys and people could just browse through popular somewhat curated posts of the day?
I feel like there would definitely be people who would enjoy something similar for Lemmy. I think with the federated nature of Lemmy, 3rd party tools are going to be crucial when it comes to widespread adoption, as I feel like they're going to play a huge role in abstracting the confusing, nerdy parts of federation away from the general public.
I guess because there are a lot of people who just don't care. Look at Twitter, Musk could do what he wants Twitter still has a big number of users.
Also reddit has a huge and very active community. This is very hard to replace.
I disagree with twitter, I wanted to continue using it despite the issues but the tweets and replies I was seeing was such a drop in quality that it naturally phased out of my routine, which I've from others in person that felt the same.
Reddit is a sharper change for us, twitter kind of just declined out of being worthwile.
Sadly that is true. Most people "just want it to work".
Denial
Anger
Bargaining <-- they are here
Depression
Acceptance
Reddit Is Fun is one of the apps being killed off next week. Their subreddit was marking each post with which stage of grief it was. A lot of anger and Bargaining.
They are used to going to Reddit and have no interest in finding an alternative, when their community is there.
Too be fair, the fediverse is not easy to grasp for the average user.
You are right, and the fact federation is perhaps overplayed or emphasized when talking about something like Lemmy doesn't help.
The regular users don't care, as long as the content is available. Which unfortunately isn't quite the case yet (with no disrespect to developers, I think Lemmy is something I'll stick to for a good while)
The landing page at join-lemmy.org should lead straight into active content, and then let users choose an instance once they're ready.
I am particularly motivated to ditch Reddit and yet the first time I saw that page I figured I was going to need to configure a bunch of shit to get started.
So that's one major issue that needs to be addressed. I'm sure it will be in time.
That is absolutely right too!
It’s really not that difficult to understand. Half the battle is getting people to realize it’s easy to sign up for an instance
some people still poop in holes in the ground.
Reddit is unsalvageable and had been for a long time, but again, you are not going to be able to take the redditor out of people even if they move somewhere else for a long time.
None of us should be trying to build a better reddit here, we should be aiming to build something new, knowing what works and what doesn't from our time as redditors.
Something more sincere, I guess.
The arrow of enshitification flys in one direction only. the people that are still there will migrate out eventually. spez was right when he said the majority of users don’t care about the api, but fails to realize that the majority of users don’t generate content. The users that do generate content are jumping ship.
Honestly, it's a information goldmine. You'll get answers to most obscure questions and in detail. All others sources on the internet are either fluff or endorsements. It it also inconvenient to have to visit two websites that does same thing. So people don't want to abandon what they are habituated to.
I don't care about what happens to Reddit, but hopefully at least some of the content gets saved. It was already annoying when I was trying to find some answers to a tech support question and the subs that had answers were private.
Because Reddit is familiar and people like to stick with what they're used to and comfortable with.
We are losing a lot, this new ActivityPup fediverse is exciting but it is like going back a decade for long-term reddit users.
Reddit obviously sucks now and has been like this for years, IMO it was newReddit and its focus on Facebook users that was the biggest event declining quality. What we had slowly eroded and its no longer there, but there were still enough smaller active communities that it could still be a good experience.
We are rebuilding and it is fun and exciting, but we are losing a big part of our lives in the process, we wont have something equal to what we lost for a couple years to come.
I agree, as someone who saw reddit evolve from r/reddit.com to what it is today, it took about 4 years for them to really get to peak old reddit with the introduction of multireddits. Other than that most of the development has been in the third party apps, and really much of that development has been updating the apps to match the evolving OS design language rather than new reddit API endpoints. But we now have the advantage of having a minimum viable product and people with years of experience building and moderating communities.
I used to mainly use niche subs. The default subs are fucked. Same old one liners over and over, getting upvoted to oblivion.
I get the reddit c suite just wants to go public and finally get their payout, which is understandable but if they're out then we're out too. There's better platforms now anyway that need a reason to be used and developed. They could have so easily handled this differently by just making the reddit app experience better than any third party apps today. But here we are and honestly I wouldn't bet my retirement that teenagers will still be posting to reddit in 40 years.
Some people like my bf just browse for a little bit of their communities and don‘t care about anything else.
However, if we make this place interesting enough they will come naturally, those sorts of people are like moths who are attracted to interesting content.
I have zero hope for Reddit. I had no idea there were much better 3rd party apps available for Reddit on phones, so the API changes don't impact me. But I've noticed over the years more and more, astro turfing by bots, bots reposting popular things to karma farm, as to sell the bot to entities looking to influence reddit via the aforementioned astro turfing.
It's all very gross, I started to feel like a duck sitting in a pond surrounded by ducks, but not really, they're all decoys, fakes, mean to give the impression of a big crowd. I don't like that trend, and on top of that, the idea of Reddit going public, and trying to push our content as their value makes me sick. The owners of reddit haven't done the heavy lifting, we the users, the mods all did the work and built up content. The idea that some chucklefuck was going to profit big from our effort isn't something I want to be part of any more. So here I am, and I gotta say, Lemmy feels like a 2000's forum by comparison, and I hope its very nature makes it harder to fall into the same pit falls as reddit and digg did.
I can only repeat what I just commented somewhere else:
I built Swift apps and Mastodon or Discord are NOT a proper format to get help, Discord being crappy for archiving, too.
I have a hard time getting help by people that really know this stuff because Swift is made by Apple, and the Apple bubble tends to stick to Twitter and the likes. If enough migrate, I can finally say frick off, Reddit
yikes, he’s one of the least professional CEO’s. It’s embarrassing to see how he speaks about his decision making.
The only thing I can say is, I don’t.
The average redditor couldn't care less about what is going on.
Look at the twitter. Whatever they can do people stay there. Maybe the hardcore users or geeks will leave, but the crowd will stay.
Nah Twitter is a shell of its former self. Try searching up a niche subject and 99% of the tweets are ads.
Yeah, the entire niche industry community I was on twitter for absolutely ate it during the early days of Elon and the majority have moved on - mainly to social media spaces like Insta or TikTok.
We got some of them on Reddit, even - though that sure was a brief and shallow victory, all told.
I've being feeling that lately reddit had become full of repost bots and fake ads. Was there just because there was nowhere else to go
I also still have hope for Twitter (less tho). Both concepts are good, they're just run by fucking idiots making them unusable.
Twitter just needs a year or two to go back to the way it was. It was the way it was because it was the best way to attract investors and advertisers which it the only way it can make money. And by the way it was I mean it was a hell site then to but not openly racist.
Honestly: for my social media consumption Reddit works pretty well. I always used to webinterface so for nothing really changed.
I am here because I felt like changing things up more than anything. Well: the fediverse is a super interesting idea and looking at something fresh is always fun.
Still; it seems pretty likely that this place will be a good deal smaller than Reddit for the foreseeable future and that’s both a strength and a weakness.
The main strength of Reddit is it’s nichier subs. There is one for just about anything. You need a massive volume of users to do such a thing and I don’t think Lemmy will reach that size anytime soon.
I expect Lemmy to be a place where people value Openness and Freedom. Generally there are less people that care about Freedom AND Pu’er tea than there are people who care about just Pu’er tea.
I wonder what will happen to Lemmy in a couple of years🤔
The silver lining is that hopefully we can get a few people off Reddit and onto here and eventually grow these spaces. I do miss the thousands of upvotes and comments though, but that'll come in time
It's been my community since like 2007. It's hard to move on from all of those conversations and inside jokes because suddenly the landlord says he gets to be a part of our conversations because he owns the property despite never participating in anything besides maybe suggesting a few holiday events that the community had to make happen and execute on their own. It has nothing to do with the site. It has to do with what we created there, a lot like the street corner that used to be a thing. It's been made clear we're no longer welcome there and we'll find a new corner to hang out on. And as soon as it's user friendly enough the masses will follow. That's a mixed blessing because the same tired replies and memes will follow but the content will be there.
I'm a little drunk right now so I'm being overly sentimental, but the point remains. We miss the experiences we had, and fuck that greedy, spineless motherfucker for making us go elsewhere. But we'll do it and laugh about it the same way we used to about Digg. "Fuck Kevin Rose" was a thing the same way "Fuck u/spez" is.