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I'm 32, I remember using the internet before google was a thing, discovering flashy websites, hanging out on all kinds of internet forums and chatrooms, ebaums world, MySpace, new grounds... I rember when YouTube was just starting off and it was exploding with all kinds of content.

I joined Facebook in 2005, I remember when it was the talk of the town, it used to actually kind of be decent, all the content was from actual real world peers.

I remember when pages became a thing, and you could like certain topics, and then eventually it unfolded into something enterely different, I remember when it became New Facebook, and there became a chatbar. And then eventually it became a cespool of garbage.

I remember when reddit was at it's prime, I discovered it in 2011, I spent hours scrolling and engaging in discussion. The content was always new and original, every day on Reddit my mind got blown by something, this is before all the algorithms, and when upvotes and down votes actually dictated where your post would be jn the feed. You could litterally refresh your page and watch your vote counts.

Since then I've watched it change, I could always tell something felt off about it over the past few years.

Everytime I would google something on the net on my phone and click a Reddit link, I would be prompted to install the app. I tried it and it was shit. Once upon a time I could just open Reddit is Fun through the browser. Reddit made it impossible to do that.

Since discovering this place a few weeks ago now, I have been hit with a familiar feeling, and that is I am actually enjoying my time here as much as I did on Reddit in the early 2010s.

The communities are more grounded, there is no bot activity, my big long posts aren't deleted after posting them due to shitty rules.

I like how it feels free, and everyone agrees to just follow the rules of the community and if the post isn't quite fitting, people can vote on that, as it should be.

Thank you all for restoring something that was once great, I really thought there was no chance in hell people would get away from those platforms. I always told people we need a new website, a new Reddit, and I guess this is it.

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[–] Jessica@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Negative people are always saying we'll never see anything like the early internet again with how everything is owned by corporations, but this last week on Lemmy has come damn close for me! Time to go be nostalgic about asking A/S/L in AIM chatrooms while watching flash animations on https://joecartoon.com/ eh @CoffeeBlood91@lemmy.ca?

(I can't believe that site is still running!)

[–] CoffeeBlood91@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Oh man, frog in a blender! You bring back memories.

[–] tallwookie@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

an accurate summation of my thoughts on the matter as well - the active communities (not the ones that get created because they were big on reddit but have no content here) are the ones I like - there's intriguing posts, insightful comments, actual conversation instead of toxic arguing.

lemmy is like a breath of fresh air.

[–] Emanresu@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm looking forwards to people getting into their grooves on lemmy. So far it seems like most people are just copying the good and bad parts from reddit without thinking. Downside is that its not exactly easy to start unique communities on demand.

[–] tallwookie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yeah - it's really easy to create a community but extremely difficult to foster it and make it grow - even if you're just dumping loads of content into it on a daily basis, if there's no interaction then it's... not a waste of time, but perhaps next closest thing.

I havent managed to find something that I'm passionate about that doesnt already exist, so I just contribute to those communities that I can, as I find them.

[–] Emanresu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Aye, that's why I'm trying to focus on replying more than just creating my own. Id end up just adding to the spam. The "bug" of instant updating when trying to sort by new is a bit awkward lol

It's just a matter of time till someone has their eureka moment.

[–] UpChuck@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

This is the better internet.

[–] AskThinkingTim@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I'm not saying Lemmy is going backwards, but I prefer this forum vibe I am experiencing here with people expressing their opinions and helping each other.

[–] kabukimeow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

discovering flashy websites

To anyone interested in this, there's a thing called neocities.org

[–] coolfission@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One of my favorite features of Lemmy is that there's an actual functional downvote button. So many platforms nowadays are removing the downvote button or straight up making it useless. I remember when YouTube used to have a proper downvote button and it made it so easy to tell when a vid was not good or clickbait. Even on Reddit, the downvote button just changes the total score but it doesn't actually show the number of downvotes. Being able to see the actual number of upvotes/downvotes is such a nice thing to see coming back.

[–] atimholt@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I still remember and miss when YouTube (and one or two music streaming services) had 5-star rating systems. Probably not as sensible for something like Reddit or Limmy, though.

[–] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Netflix switching from stars to thumbs up/down still infuriates me.

[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That was when I decided to drop it. Recommendations worked so much better for me back then, regardless of how many people say it didn't actually work.

[–] Action_Bastid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

As much as people refuse to accept it, there does exist a middle point in life of "It's okay".

[–] peyotecosmico@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Funny how it feels like the old forums isn't it?

I'm glad we found this place.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

That's kinda why I joined Reddit originally. I couldn't really work with platforms like Twitter or Facebook that are sort of about "me". I just aren't that egocentric. I don't want to post daily shit about my life, and I also don't really have an interest in reading about private daily lives of others. Reddit always felt like a classical forum, but adapted to have more of a constantly moving content. You were part of a computer / tech forum? Now you'd join some subreddits about this topic and be informed while also able to partake in discussions about it. Same for everything else.

I never wanted all that drama from the extremistic sides (remember T_D dominating /r/all through vote manipulation? Or "uncensored news"?), I never wanted the sluggish & bloated redesign with its thousands of awards and distracting animations, I never wanted mods & admins / AEO to turn abusive and / or completely incompetent (literally all my bans have been within the past few years, which was the minority of all my total Reddit time). And now they think they can dictate the content that once made them great & brought them to the point where they are now. If they cannot find a way to work with the users, then the users should stop working for them. Simple as that. Because in the end it's the user base that made the platform great and filled it with content.

[–] CoffeeBlood91@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My biggest worry is that it becomes over moderated like all the subreddits.

I fucking hated writing a heated passionate post, only to have it automatically removed because I didn't read the fine print.

I prefer when everything is voted on in the community, vs automatic removals and strict mod's.

It actually took my motivation away to post, so I ended up just being a lurker.

The fact that there are so many Lemmy servers makes me feel as if one server goes to shit, there will be another one that offers more freedom of expression.

I also enjoy that that there is a specific instance for NSFW content, it keeps things organized.

[–] 7945129875@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

OMG, writing a lengthy post just to get in auto-removed sucks so hard...

[–] ghariksforge@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

The internet was taken over by wall street. The fediverse is a revolt against that.

[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Guess what, I actually read the whole thing. (:

[–] redsky@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Good conversations on kbin, Lemmy, Squabbles, et al. I think there's a new feeling of solidarity and ownership with these new (to some of us) forums. I'm here for it.

[–] lixus98@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

This is my first time feeling part of an online community, it's amazing!

[–] jgrim@discuss.online 1 points 2 years ago

This is exactly how I feel! So excited to be part of it.

[–] snipe_at@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Is there anything here in the lemmiverse that prevents bot activity?

[–] Emanresu@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Slightly unrelated... I gave up making a reddit account because i had to prove i wasn't a bot... by doing something that bots can do extremely easily and some people like me cant. I had to post many times before being allowed onto subs worth posting on. Chicken and egg problem so I just gave up.

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[–] Kutsuya@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Man this takes me back... I also remember the early days of the internet, browsing it on my dad's computer. I miss these dumb times.

[–] digitalfreedom@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, ever since I first arrived on kbin, I’ve felt like a breeze is passing through me. It took me a while to realize, but then it hit me: it’s because I’m not enraging Redditors every day by just opening my mouth.

[–] iNeedScissors67@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

On Reddit I always felt like a raindrop in an ocean. I'm just one of way too many, and very little of what I wrote was ever seen or engaged with. That was discouraging at times, especially when I put plenty of thought or research into my reply, only for it to have no engagement while typical low-effort replies like "this!" Or "I'm a simple person I see x I updoot" always rise to the top. It was starting to feel like all the other social media I've quit over the years, and I was originally there because it felt like a forum, not social media. I'm on kbin now and I'm getting the feeling I got from posting on forums like Playstation Underground when I was younger. I even recognize user avatars across different threads and magazines/communities, which definitely reminds me of forums of old. Who knows what it will become but the federated nature of it means it can feel as big or small as I want it to, which is what is keeping me invested.

[–] Onii-Chan@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Agreed. kbin has been thoroughly enjoyable so far, to the point that I kinda hope it remains a small, niche thing. I loved forums and smaller communities when I was younger in the early-mid 2000's, and this really is the first time I've been able to capture that feeling again since. I'm glad reddit is run by an egomaniacal dickhead, because without him, I'd never have gone looking for something better. It feels like people are slowly, but surely becoming tired of the 'corporate centralized internet', and are looking to branch out to smaller, but more meaningful free communities.

I'm actually excited for the first time in almost 10 years.

[–] jeebus@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I've been thinking of going complete 2003 and going back to flip phones. I'm just tired of the greed over wanting me to see ads. I fucking can't stand ads and go out of my way to avoid them, including monthly memberships like YouTube red. Reddit was trying to force me to use their app so they can collect more data to show me ads.

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[–] Spacebar@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm 51. I started with BBS's, compuworld, Usenet and MUD telnet screens. I've seen access to the internet and pre internet go from 1,200 baud modems to 56,000 modems to the 5G internet access we have today.

To me, the fedeverse feels like a modern technology in development without corporations ruinous hands in it.

I really hope the corporate hold on social media is breaking, because they eventually ruined everything they touched in order to squeeze every last dollar out of it.

[–] gingerwolfie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I have to say it does feel pretty cool and like the good old days. No big corporations at the moment, just people figuring stuff out and doing their own thing. I'm liking this a lot

[–] SevereLow@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I'm 29 and I completely share your vibes πŸ˜…

[–] fsk@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

It can't last. Right now, lemmy/ActivityPub is in the "early adopter" stage of the tech hype cycle. The only people here now are the people who are willing to try out something new. If there are enough "early adopters", Lemmy will become interesting, and then the normal people will follow. This would lead to an "eternal September" effect of declining quality. Then they're followed by the spammers and people looking to make a profit.

If basically feels like reinventing Usenet, with maybe some extra modern features.

There's one big weakness. There appears to be some sort of shared blocklist. If people wind up being placed on the list for petty reasons rather than genuine misbehavior, that could become a problem. I.e., the people maintaining the blocklist decide they disagree with X politically, and then X winds up on the blocklist even though they really weren't abusive. Then people running nodes are going to have to start manually reviewing the blocklist and making exceptions, which most people won't bother doing.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Remember, what people like of the internet is engaging with other people. Content is secondary, outrage is clickbait to monetize ads. What we like aboud platforms is not the tech, but other humans.

[–] MightBeAlpharius@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

You nailed just about everything that I've been enjoying about Lemmy, too!

To me, it's definitely reminiscent of reddit circa 2011-2012. There aren't any bots yet, so discussions feel more grounded; and it has a similar air of wonder to it, like people are still excited for both what the community is and what it can be.

...Except for the sorting. Sorting by Subscribed or Local feel reddit-ish, with the former being a self-curated feed and the latter being a broader discovery feed of whatever going on in your chosen instance. Sorting by All, though, feels a bit like stepping back to my old high-school 4chan days, but with less sharpies in buttholes.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Remember when Facebook released a β€œfriends and family update” that they said would take the site back closer to connecting you with real people? That was the moment they finally died. The fact that they had drifted from that showed they were actually pursuing something else the whole time. And the update barely made a difference, but they patted themselves on the back anyway and bragged that it even cost them some revenue but they felt it was right for users πŸ˜–

[–] stochasticity@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Something isn't adding up here. 32? Joined Facebook in 2005? Facebook, until 2006, required a valid college (in the American sense) email address. Being 32 would put your high school graduation in the neighborhood of 2009. So did you go to college ~4 years early, sneak on, or do I have something wrong in my timeline?

[–] emokidforever@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Maybe they did post-secondary in high school. That would give you a college email.

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