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[–] this@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or just...donate the perfectly good food they constantly throw out into the cadged dumpsters designed to keep homeless people out... Litteraly would cost them nothing...

[–] JimmyDean@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

"But if we feed them then those broke homeless people won't come in and spend their (nonexistent) money on our food!" -upper management

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My favorite one is when our utility company asks me to donate to help pay for people's utilities like they aren't raking in record amount of cash.

[–] LukeMedia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why don't you help by lowering the prices and being more reasonable? How do I even now you're actually using the money I donate for people's bills? That's a crazy donation request.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Come on now, be reasonable. Lowering the prices would mean they can't buy their 5th mansion. Just stop being selfish and give them a little more money.

[–] Spacecraft@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I hate when they pull this shit at drive through fast food. “Would you like to round up to donate to our charity?”

Who knows what the person taking my order thinks about this charity, and what they might do to someone’s food who says no.

Edit: The fact that merely implying a fast food worker wouldn’t be a complete perfect human being gets so many downvotes says a whole lot about this community.

[–] sirkook@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can assure you that nobody working at the fast food restaurant gives a shit if you donate to charity.

[–] Spacecraft@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How can you assure me of that lol.

You think nobody at a fast food place is capable of thinking someone is an asshole for declining to donate to charity? And then acting on that?

[–] TskUghPfftUhh@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I used to work fast food and retail, both which forced employees to ask customers to donate at the till. We hated doing it. It is awkward for both the customer and the worker. I would get anxiety when donation drive time of year would come round, and I'd feel relief when the customer either just said no or yes, and didn't yell at me for asking. The cashier REALLY does not care if you donate or not. And the cashier usually does not make your food, it's usually someone else doing the cooking, and the cooks aren't paying attention at all to whether you donated or not.

[–] danielton@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Same. I got lectured so many times by customers who insisted I was stupid for daring to ask them and acted like I had some sort of personal stake in the charity.

Then most of these same people would buy a ton of lottery tickets when I was in retail.

[–] lightingnerd@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

On the other hand, I have heard people ask that question, answered yes, and then checked my receipt later to find out that I just handed $0.57 to round out the cashier's drawer.

[–] Licensed_to_ill@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Those donations you make can help them deduct from taxes, right?

[–] Janus67@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think that's a myth as it isn't income it goes into a separate fund to transfer 1:1.

[–] neanderthal@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even if it is revenue, it is still a net loss. All it does is reduce taxable income, which is still makes the donation a net loss. For anyone not aware, the current federal US corporate income tax rate is 21%. So if a company gives 100 dollars to charity, they only save 21 dollars in taxes, so they are still down roughly 79 dollars, depending on the state taxes of where they are incorporated.

[–] HRDS_654@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, which is why you should donate yourself if you are inclined to do so.

[–] LetMeEatCake@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, but you should still donate yourself. It allows you to focus on charities that you care the most about and which you can research as having the greatest potential positive impact.

If you give $1 to Grocery Store to donate to Cause, what happens is Grocery Store gains $1 of taxable revenue, then they remove that $1 of taxable revenue with the deduction. All the deductions do is make it so that Grocery Store neither gains nor loses money from the forwarded donations. They simply aren't paying taxes on the money you gave them to donate.

The rules for this are good.

[–] neanderthal@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Here me out before accusing me of being a billionaire toady.

Not really, at least not in the US. Charitable contributions are a deduction from taxable income, not a credit, so it is still a net financial loss to donate.

Where the benefit comes is the PR and power over the organization they donate to and its sphere of influence.

[–] git@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It is a net loss if you donate your own money, in this situation Company isn't donating from it's own revenue. It is donating customers money.

If I donated 1000$ and claimed tax deductible it would be a net loss. But if I asked everyone for donations, raised 1000$, donated that and claimed tax deductible that wouldn't be a net loss.

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[–] fsk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Those charities have huge overhead. Very little money goes to the actual cause.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

There are sites to check how much actually goes out. Check before you donate.

[–] danielton@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Just wait until you get a tip prompt on a self checkout kiosk...

[–] norapink@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I hate these donate screens because I have no idea where the donation actually goes and i don't want to have to do a ton of research at the grocery checkout about whether its a good charity.

[–] FreeDiverX@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

First, please don't link to Reddit...

Many Of The Largest Charities In America Are Giant Money Making Scams
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/many-of-the-largest-charities-in-america-are-giant-money-making-scams

To be fair, I bet these companies strike deals with the charitable organizations to in turn raise visibility of those charities among the company's customers.

[–] EmergingDystopia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, this really bothers me. Because in reality, that company that you give money to at checkout is just going to bundle that all up and it's a donation in their name, used as a tax write-off. You as the shopper might feel nice and warm and fuzzy, but you're just giving a multimillion or billion dollar company a tax break. Just donate as yourself. If you want to help XYZ cause, do it on your own. My two cents.

[–] mighty_alfredo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That's not how it works, at least in the US. You are donating as yourself, and can use the donation as a tax write off if you would like.

[–] KingStrafeIV@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] mighty_alfredo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Thank you for the link. To be clear to anyone too lazy to click (which you should do to verify anyway) this is a source that confirms that businesses don't get to claim your donation as their own.

[–] demvoter@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I don’t trust them to actually donate anyway. How would you ever find out? I suspect these are scams to hold the money and get interest off it even if they do ultimately donate it.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

They wouldn't be rich if they donated THEIR money, right?

[–] mcc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Then they will say it is more efficient to merge the donations with regular revenue and make bulk donations every quarter or something.

[–] AltF4me@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] drmugg@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 years ago

And redirecting you attention on to the "offsets" scam too.

Ever wonder why climate change is such a problem if 1.5 pence per liter petroleum burnt can undo the damage? Spoiler: it can't. You can't sequester CO² for that cheap, and CO² isn't the only issue. "Offsets" are not certified by any trustworthy third party, and companies intentionally don't pry too much, so they can say "Oh sorry, didn't know" if anyone investigates and discovers they did squat-all.

[–] phillycodehound@geddit.social 1 points 2 years ago

If I choose to donate I will do it on my own terms thank you very much.

[–] MobileSuitBagera@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Remember kids, they also get to use the money they guilted off of you to reduce their tax liability because they get credit for donating your money!

Edit: I'll be dammed looks like I was wrong. Here is an article on why you might not want to donate anyway. I stand corrected.

[–] PerfectParanoia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is not true. I am not from the US or a lawyer but these donations sould show up on your receipt and count as your direct donation to the charity. The store is just a middleman and does not get any benefit. Here is a random, semi recent article about it you can find a lot more if you look it up online.

[–] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

PSA: most Americans can get up to $300 deducted from their annual taxes through donations.

[–] Kettlepants@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Please don't link to Reddit.

[–] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sorry but this sub has a policy of crediting people rather than passing content off as their own. You can always just not click the link. Lifting content without crediting the op I got it from would be unethical

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

It's already lifted from Twitter, what's the point of crediting the person who lifted it without credit?

[–] iliketurtles@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's so they can get a tax write off for your donation.

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

This is a lie that I had hoped to leave behind on Reddit but lo and behold it's so pervasive that it transcends social circles.

Repeat after me: that is not how taxes work.

They do not get any monetary benefit from your donations, save for arguably good publicity. They do not claim your donations in their taxes. They do not get extra write offs on their taxes.

Those donations are yours and you could claim them on your taxes, if you were so inclined.

[–] malloc@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

People that give money for those charities are giving those companies free tax write offs.

You donate $10 or whatever. The company can then claim that $10 as a write off via donation to that charity. Campaign as a whole (either regional or national) collects $1M USD. Corporate accountants write off donation. Tax liability reduced.

[–] phx@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, that's not how it works. In order to do so, they'd have to first claim the money received as income.

That said, there are scummy things that they do. At the least, it's saying "we [bigcorp] donated $1,000,000 to charity" when in reality all that they did was collect it. In other situations, companies like Sobey's doesn't actually pass on food bank donations as cash, but rather have then as credit to buy products only from Sobey's.

[–] Jorgelhus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

That's messed up.

[–] stankmut@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's not how tax write offs work. The only way to claim that money in a write-off would be for the business to also claim it as revenue. That would even out, with no tax savings. Businesses also don't handle donations that way, they usually serve as a collection agent that just passes your donations on without being able to claim it towards their revenue or their tax write offs. The only person who can write-off their donation is the person who actually made it.

The reason businesses do it is for marketing. They get to put out a press release saying "They helped donate $10 million to puppies without borders."

[–] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Puppies do not recognize your silly imaginary borders and will commit zoomies across any such lines.

[–] LukeMedia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I intended on writing this comment yesterday but jerboa timed out on me. It's a common misconception and I understand how it gets spread, but I wish there was better knowledge and education of how taxes worked in general. Would make it easier for the average person to spot the ways companies do evade taxes, too.

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