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Countless firsthand accounts of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have disappeared across the last decade, and it may speak to larger issues with the historical record in the digital age.

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[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 133 points 2 years ago (19 children)

Meanwhile archive sites are getting sued by greedy copyright owners

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[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 54 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So, in short, the whole “just someone else’s computer” thing will always come back to bite you. And of course, we’re still struggling with this. Here on the Fedi, everything is tied up on servers run by admins we know little about without much recourse to download archives or migrate, unless you’re up for full self hosting.

[–] excel@lemmy.megumin.org 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Except the fediverse is highly resilient in this regard, since all of the data is replicated. If an instance goes down, all of that instance’s posts are still available on every other instance.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There is that, yes. But how much control do you the user have over those caches should the original server/instance from which they were made go down? Can you easily archive or retrieve them? Edit or delete them? Do anything to further ensure their longevity? Link them back to your new social media account so that others can easily identify them as yours? Verify, in any way, that they were (or were not!) written by you as the owner of a new account?

[–] Deftdrummer@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

These are all good points.

[–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago

Definitely a few of the major things lacking in the Lemmy/kbin world.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

theoretically one couls create a lemmyverse archive that crawls the lemmyverse and subscribes to all communities it finds and archives all federation activities that it receives

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Would you even need to subscribe?

Setting up an instance should probably work, unless other instances choose to defederate from it, I guess

[–] RobotToaster 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Instances only collect stuff from communities that have at least one subscriber on their sever.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Ah interesting, didn't know that :)

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And it looks like it may only pull new posts and comments and not old archives.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yeah pre-federation stuff would need another more complicated solution

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think it federates it if a user comments.. I think. Not sure.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago

according to the docs if you search a comment it will federate that comment, its direct ancestors, and the post it was made on. But not all the comments for that post

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Imagine if, in 100 years, there was a massive Carrington Event and most of the world's data was destroyed. How would we piece our history back together?

[–] reflex@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

How would we piece our history back together?

Maybe some kind of foundation to stem the period of bahbawism?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Remember what happened to that foundation? And the alternative doesn't actually work based on our medical and scientific knowledge.

Stupid psychohistory.

[–] d4rknusw1ld@artemis.camp 6 points 2 years ago

Stupid sexy Harry.

[–] sapient_cogbag 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Luckily, it is possible to shield the power supply from a carrington event at least, and we do have satellites keeping watch. The main issue is making sure all the power infrastructure is actually shielded, which costs money >.<

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Bro Texas won't even pay to weatherize their power grid and they know cold weather happens every winter.

[–] sapient_cogbag 4 points 2 years ago

Can't say you're wrong tbh :p

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[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

To be honest this doesn’t make me any more optimistic. I’m sure there are countries that might spend resources on this, but mine 100% won’t. And if the majority of the world is screwed, I guess we can all agree there won’t be any stable place.

This episode of Why Files was really worrying.

[–] squib@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pretty obvious. We build a time machine to go back to 1776. Then, when it malfunctions and sends to 1976 instead we learn the art of The Hustle.

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[–] Jaded@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We would definitely lose some data but I'm guessing there's a few hundred backups of Wikipedia and the important stuff floating around.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

A huge solar storm could wipe out the backups too unless they're stored in a deep vault or something.

[–] Jaded@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Solar storms arent really a risk for small electronics, more so if they aren't connected to the grid. You wouldn't need a deep vault, more like a cupboard.

There is a risk the hard drives wear out before society gets the grid back online and restarts producing hard drives though. We already don't have that many facilities and they would certainly be taken offline, and the knowledge to build those facilities, that might get lost properly when the storm would hit.

[–] RobotToaster 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Would it effect optical media like CDs?

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Time is more of a concern for CDs. They don't really last that long.

[–] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.astaluk.icu 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'll be honest, I had forgotten MySpace was a thing back then. Every single page I went to was gaudy as hell and took forever to load on my dial up connection at the time. I'm a little surprised they're still around. And damn, it looks a lot different!

[–] June@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yea it’s a music centric site now, right?

Edit: I was curious so I looked it up. They either have 6-10 employees and 1-5M in revenue, or 523 employees and 84.2M in revenue, depending on whether you misspell ‘employees’ in the search or not (on bing).

I don't remember the specific article I read that dove into this but it was essentially sold due to it being one of the first large data collections (user data). I'm not sure the extent its traweled now but before the social media machine took off, it was the largest if not one of the largest concentrations of actual data points to run algorithms against.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

Someday historians will be reading all those emails our grandparents printed looking for cultural context.

[–] Deftdrummer@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Super interesting read, thanks for posting. (Pls don't delete my comment)

[–] Catasaur@lemmy.catasaur.xyz 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I see this as a plus. People have a right to be forgotten. The problem nowadays is that companies track you and keep all your data forever and then use it to advertise to you.

At the very least, data collection and preservation should be explicitly opt-in.

If you really want to save something, download it yourself.

[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 0 points 2 years ago

Do not worry. History will not forget the murders American thugs comitted there.

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