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I found this podcast from this reddit-logo post:

I subbed today for a 7th and 8th grade teacher. I’m not exaggerating when I say at least 50% of the students were at a 2nd grade reading level. The students were to spend the class time filling out an “all about me” worksheet, what’s your name, favorite color, favorite food etc. I was asked 20 times today “what is this word?”. Movie. Excited. Trait. “How do I spell race car driver?”

I've only listened to one episode so far, but it's really well produced, seems well-researched and very well put together.

From what I gather so far, the ways that the American public school system "teaches" kids how to read is not only completely wrong, but actually saddles them bad habits which fundamentally hinder their reading comprehension.

A huge swath of American adults are functionally illiterate, and I think I'm starting to understand why.

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[–] RonJonGuaido@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Are there any serious, reputable papers which support the, actually American kids are stupid because of this one, simple pedagogical mistake, thesis?

Frankly this is the kind of pat explanation that should be easy to test for, and, if true, should be easy to fix. But my sense is that American education doesn't have an easy fix, and it's not because Big School Curriculum won't let your kids have access to the phonics books.

[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I work in education and I can tell you Reading Recovery is not universally widespread.

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[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I always read better than other kids from my background because I read in my free time and had parents who were willing to read to me. The education system did indeed hinder rather than help. And this was decades ago.

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[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I was admitted to college as a secondary Ed major, and switched to CS and became a STEM lord because of what I saw when I did my first observation in a classroom. I realized that America does not give a fuck about the next generation, and that I would have to do education as a second career after I was financially established, because it's incredibly difficult to be a good teacher and be there for all your students when you're financially struggling yourself.

The school administrators don't care, the textbook industry does not care, and sometimes the parents don't care. It's very difficult

[–] Melonius@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've heard this podcast and it is utterly horrifying, however reading recovery and the scam has mostly been tossed out. Phonics has been brought back and a lot of the outrage in this podcast is more from the last couple decades.

I meant to look in to it more once my kid was ready for school, so I have no insight on how kids are currently being taught. Just wanted to share my experience listening to the podcast that it comes across like this is happening now when it's what has occured recently.

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hope you're right, but there were multiple interviews that I heard in the pod of parents who only realised their kid wasn't being taught how to read because of covid-19 lockdown remote school. They sat in on the lessons with them are were like "What the actual fuck? That's not how you learn how to read!!! My kid is illiterate!" So it clearly is still being practiced in some schools.

[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah there's no way the scammers are letting go of their profit machine that easily. The whole "balanced literacy" half-measure allows teachers to keep using the guessing bullshit while doing phonics for like one day.

[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

why would China do this eric-andre

[–] sammer510@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I think part of the problem is that being read to by your parents at a young age and having books in the home that you are encouraged to read does so much for literacy l, as much if not more than what kids are taught in school. And most parents don't have the time or the inclination, or they themselves are barely literate and have no basis for teaching their kids to be literate. And the cycle continues

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[–] Autisticky@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Americans don't leave the record player on at night

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