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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Density zoning is the source of the housing crisis.

People think it's market forces that have created the housing crisis, but it is exactly the opposite: government ha been artificially restricting supply for decades.

There are so many places where 100 units is a more profitable use of land than 10 units, but it's prevented by density zoning.

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

For those complaining about noise in apartments: in my experience apartment dwellers are quite considerate and when living in an apartment I never had any major noise problems.

Now that I live in a single home let me tell you about the noise of neighbours mowing their lawns, constant noisy renovations etc. and in general a lot more car noise.

Quite honestly, it was more quiet in the apartments that I lived before.

Edit: and besides, I think people are confusing apartments with the real cause: housing areas with low socio-economic status tend to be more noisy. Correlation is not causation and all that...

[–] Liz@midwest.social 6 points 9 months ago

People are down voting you but I've had the same experience. The apartments I've lived in were very quiet. The suburban home I live in now is within earshot of lawn care daily. I literally never leave my land, when I say daily I actually do man daily.

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[–] TauriWarrior@aussie.zone 6 points 9 months ago

When we lived in an apartment someone set off the fire alarm several times a week, sometimes at 3am which is a shitty way and time to awaken. Never want to live in one again

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Had an apartment. Guy's girlfriend upstairs smoked. His apartment caught on fire when she fell asleep smoking in bed. Guess where the water goes when the fire department put out the fire. And that's not just water, it's water mixed with toxic soot. No more apartment.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

As long as I can live in a hollow under a tree far away from the apartment building, okay.

But if not then I’ll just walk into the ocean because that’s still too damn many people.

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

How about quadplexes? 50% of island used.

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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago

Really good framing of it

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Everyone is going to need to agree on a noise level

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 9 months ago

This is true. In Holland we have laws and regulations about this. My wife's job is enforcing this, although most of the work is designing places to minimize problems (don't build homes right next to highways, or under flight paths, or next to industry), as well as dealing with cafe owners who let their customers talk in front of the bars smoking at 02:00. 😄

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 9 months ago

Take a look at the UK on Google Maps.

Pretty green, right? Plenty of space to expand those towns and cities.

Zoom in. It's pretty much all farmland. There's precious little nature in that.

Density isn't going to save nature. Having fewer people and sustainable farming will save nature. Density is useful for having things like efficient public transport, and reducing the need to have a car. It also localises noise, and I feel we don't value quiet enough.

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