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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Meanwhile, mutual aid and cooperation: "I have extra goods I don't need. Want them?"

"Sure, I'll distribute them around to my crew. Let us know if you need anything too."

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That works pretty well in simple tribal societies where all that needs to be shared around is food, water, hunting supplies, and that sort of thing.

You can't really build the smartphone or computer you posted this from with "mutual aid." That takes very organized and technical supply chains and processes, which precludes the kind of voluntary gift economy you allude to.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There's an entire operating system running most servers, smartphones, and embedded devices in the world right now that was created this way under a special license designed to promote code sharing and cooperation. It's famous enough that I probably don't have to mention it here. Anybody can use it, anybody can contribute.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You mean the one whose development is largely funded and directed by a very large mega corporation and which is almost exclusively deployed under license from that megacorp

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Linux. I'm talking about Linux.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay. Fair enough with servers but I don't think saying that smartphones are running Linux is really descriptive. Android is a fork

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Same kernel, different userland. Point is, Google benefited from code others wrote. Most without compensation from Google. That's what a fork is. And the license is sticky. Even if they fork it, Google simply cannot "un-GPL" parts of its code that were originally licensed under it. They have to make it available to others, legally.

Check your phone yourself. You'll find several mentions of open source licenses in the system info section.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, open source software is a thing. Not common in all markets but it's a thing. Open source hardware really is not

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mutual Aid is part of Anarchism. It's about strengthening your sense of community and viewing your community as a means of survival without taking it for granted, like we do under capitalism. In an anarchist society, you could get a smart phone or a computer through Industrial Unionism. You should really look into these concepts.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm less interested in theoretical concepts and more interested in things that work in reality.

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The only thing you seem interested in is remaining ignorant to anything that doesn't fit your worldview.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago

That's what I thought lol

[–] HonestMistake_@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The only thing our current way of running the world is great at, is making the planet an inhospitable hellhole for the vast majority of life, so there's that.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago

"capitalism is when overpopulation"

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Then comes the third entrepreneur

[–] Streptember@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And the two established businesses just artificially lower their prices to keep out the competition, forcing the third to stop trying to compete.

[–] Pinklink@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago

That’s the problem with having money to lose to keep from losing money in the long term: firmly established companies with money to spare can always keep startups from succeeding, and all they have to do is wait out the limited money of smaller competitors to get back to ripping off the consumer

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Diluting their milk with sewage.

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

or paying their workers even less

"its a gig! you make milk for a few hours to get some more money! grindset!!!!"

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 2 years ago

fun fact, Marx actually summed up the whole gig economy in Das Kapital

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

May i present you the idea of "cartel"?

[–] Tyr_Raidho_Othala@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I see fucktards buying the next bad Fifa and complaining. Not to be the one, but how bout not giving in to company greed?

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Feels like you're missing the point. Not giving in to company greed only goes so far, especially when you're talking about necessities like electric, gas, food, shelter, and clothing.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Idk where I am (US) milk is heavily regulated and more or less interchangeable. And a gallon is a gallon here.